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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 10 August 2012 06:34 PM,
William Drake wrote:<br>
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<div>On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:37 PM, parminder wrote:</div>
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0px; font-size: medium; ">When someone says that anyone
wanting a change has to "outline said plausible alternative
and why its risks/costs are less than the
certainties/benefits of the SQ", and carries on at length to
show - as most of your email does - that there isnt any
clear demand for change, and when that someone is not an
appointed neutral referee or something but a political
player in the arena, then that person's politics is
legitimately called as status quoist. I stick to my
position.</span></blockquote>
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<div>Which willfully misrepresents my clearly stated position, <br>
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<div>On Aug 10, 2012, at 9:18 AM, William Drake wrote:</div>
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I support the concept of decoupling root change
authorizations from sole USG responsibility if and when a
plausibly reliable alternative can be identified,</span></blockquote>
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And who will identify this 'plausible reliable alternative' ?? Since
you are very particular others should give precise models - evne
when others indeed are giving them - what is your 'plausible
reliable alternative' on which your supposedly non status quo
position is based....<br>
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recognized that this would need to be an evolutionary
process that plays out over some years, </span></blockquote>
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Either you have a plan for change, or you agree largely with the
status quo. Bill, frankly, I still am not understanding what you are
saying here. No status quoist ever says, nothing even evolutionary
will happen at all, especially when what is that 'evolutionary'
thing is not stated... That does not make someone 'non status
quoist'. If you are one, please tell what is your plan of change -
lets hear it. <br>
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learning rather than posturing and demanding as the lead
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:). So you can call my politics as aggressive (you did the name
calling first!) - 'posturing and demanding' - and I cant call yours
status quoist.... I know some quarters take on such inequality
rather instinctively...<br>
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Dont go without tell us your own plan of change please :) , since
you are so touchy about being labelled with status quoism. <br>
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dozens of long multiscreen messages </span></div>
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You are not the first to speak with such deep derision about my
engagements on this list, even in this thread. I had learnt to deal
with that kind of thing long ago. But maybe at some point I can stop
talking, and few others who do sometime take up Southern politics
here will too.... <br>
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whole global South </span></div>
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and when we stop talking , you can return to posing as the most
progressive IG voice globally .....<br>
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collective brain embolism over zone file signing</span></div>
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No, most of us in the South consider non CIR public policy - of
economic, social, cultural and political kind - even more important
than CIR, and I have said this often. But I hardly ever find anyone
here show interest in the kind of 'global' Internet policy that
OECD's CICCP does, an issue I have tried to invoke often. CIR
fixation in fact is on the other side. I havent been able to attract
your attention on institutional model for non CIR policies - or am I
mistaken. Want to take the discussion to non CIR policies side of
enhanced cooperation? I am very willing. <br>
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ask for evidence.</span></div>
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but then why are you reacting so sharply if I dare ask you evidence
about your position.....<br>
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parminder <br>
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to building the caucus' internal consensus and external
influence.</span></div>
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