<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">hello</span> <span class="hps">Assama</span><span>,</span><br><br> <span class="hps">Very good questions</span> <span class="hps">but</span> <span class="hps">concerns remain</span><span>:</span><br>
<span class="hps atn">-</span><span class="">most</span> <span class="hps">UN member</span> <span class="hps">countries</span> <span class="hps">have recognized</span> <span class="hps">the problem</span> <span class="hps">posed by the</span> <span class="hps">self</span> <span class="hps">in cyberspace</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">We're going</span> <span class="hps">right</span> <span class="hps">into debates</span> <span class="hps">on</span> <span class="hps">state sovereignty</span> <span class="hps">in cyberspace</span> <span class="hps">with</span> <span class="hps">all that it</span> <span class="hps">represents</span> <span class="hps">as</span> <span class="hps">claiming rights</span><span>.</span><br>
<span class="hps">Technology</span> <span class="hps">as</span> <span class="hps">the content</span> <span class="hps">of technology</span> <span class="hps">are intrinsically linked</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">You can not</span> <span class="hps">separate them.</span><br>
<span class="hps">It was then</span> <span class="hps">to think,</span> <span class="hps">to</span> <span class="hps">be logical</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">to consider</span> <span class="hps">legal steps to</span> <span class="hps">manage these two</span> <span class="hps">aspects</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">But</span> <span class="hps">this procedure</span> <span class="hps">requires global cooperation</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">And here</span> <span class="hps">we are in</span> <span class="hps">the spirit of Chapter</span> <span class="hps">11</span> <span class="hps">of the Action Plan</span> <span class="hps">of Tunis</span><span>.</span><br>
<span class="hps">But</span> <span class="hps">the</span> <span class="hps">question</span> <span class="hps">now</span> <span class="hps">is at the level</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">criminal</span> <span class="hps">threats</span> <span class="hps">in cyberspace</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">In addition to</span> <span class="hps">ill-intentioned</span> <span class="hps">individuals</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">these crimes</span> <span class="hps">have also become</span> <span class="hps">a means of action</span> <span class="hps">for</span> <span class="hps">some states</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">I</span><span>'m</span> <span class="hps">studying the</span> <span class="hps">Geneva</span> <span class="hps"></span><span class="hps"> Action</span> <span class="hps">Plan and</span> <span class="hps">Tunis Agenda</span> <span class="hps">to see if</span> <span class="hps">arrangements have been</span> <span class="hps">envisaged in this regard</span><span>.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/25 International Ivission <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:lucida console,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>Hi </span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">Baudouin,</span></div>
<div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">The issue arising here is that of ownership in the cyber space.</span></div>
<div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">I want to believe that in the nearest future, the hypothesis of partitioning the global web space into
national web spaces might come to the scene.</span></div><div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">A scenario where internet users will need a kind of virtual visa to gain access to a web space out of their national territory.</span></div>
<div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">To anticipate this kind of an event, we should take the chinese very serious and dig deep into the initiative.</span></div>
<div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">May be its an polite method of contesting the legitimacy of the Internet governing body?</span></div>
<div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">----------------</span></div><div><font face="Arial">permit me to ask the following question:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">- Which is more important, the content in the internet or the technology?</font></div><div><font face="Arial">- If you create your own technology, is there any guarantee that you will not censor content? <b>(PIPA/SOPA)</b></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">- If we create virtual borders in our cyber space, what will become of the information society?+</font></div><div><font face="Arial">- Are we going to jeopardize the outcomes of Tunis Summit ?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial">These are just a few questions for us to ponder on, especially or Chinese friends and colleagues.</font></div><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Baudouin SCHOMBE <<a href="mailto:b.schombe@gmail.com" target="_blank">b.schombe@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; michael
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 25 juin 2012 10h33<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [governance] FW: [liberationtech] Chinese preparing for a "Autonomous Internet" ?<br>
</font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <br><div><span lang="en"><span>hello all</span><span>,</span><br><br> <span>I</span> <span>wonder about</span> <span>the relevance of the</span> <span>Chinese</span> <span>proposal</span> <span>for</span> <span>the autonomy of the</span> <span>Internet</span><span>!</span><br>
<span>Given the changes</span> <span>in strength</span> <span>of</span> <span>online crime</span> <span>or</span> <span>more</span> <span>of the</span> <span>core</span> <span>cybrecriminalité</span> <span>in cyberspace</span><span>,</span> <span>this proposal</span> <span>of autonomy</span> <span>of the internet</span> <span>would it</span> <span>not justified</span><span>?</span><br>
<span>There is</span> <span>reason to believe</span> <span>and even</span> <span>to believe</span> <span>that there are</span> <span>states</span> <span>that are also</span> <span>cyber criminals</span><span>!<br>
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<br><br><div>2012/6/17 michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
If I am reading this below correctly...<br>
<br>
One possible effect of an Internet governance system which refuses to<br>
"internationalize" as per the current discussion is one that fractures...<br>
Not to say that the regimes in certain countries wouldn't try to force a<br>
fracture in any case but just to say that the refusal to allow any<br>
"flexibility" in the areas of internationalization of governance makes such<br>
fractures very very much more likely and globally would increase support<br>
for/weaken opposition to such developments.<br>
<br>
M<br>
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:04 AM<br>
To: Liberation Technologies<br>
Subject: [liberationtech] Chinese preparing for a "Autonomous Internet" ?<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
i wanted to notice that there is a new internet draft in IETF that should<br>
make us think on the chinese government respect strategies to internet<br>
governance issues.<br>
<br>
DNS Extension for Autonomous Internet(AIP)<br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-diao-aip-dns-00" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-diao-aip-dns-00</a><br>
<br>
This proposal by China Telecom, China Mobile & Guangdong Commercial College<br>
propose.<br>
<br>
Even if we know that "root servers" are very well distributed across the<br>
world / countries trough a collaborative system, chinese see this as a<br>
"central control".<br>
<br>
From Introduction on Root DNS:<br>
" But its central control<br>
method is not suitable to autonomy and scalability and can't keep up<br>
with the fast development of Internet. To national internet network,<br>
owning its independent root DNS server and realize autonomy in<br>
Internet is a problem not only for the cost but also for the<br>
technical difficulty. It is almost impossible in current DNS<br>
architecture."<br>
<br>
From AIP DNS Architecture:<br>
"In order to realize the transition from Internet to Autonomous<br>
Internet, each partition of current Internet should first realize<br>
possible self-government and gradually reduce its dependence on the<br>
foreign domain names, such as COM, NET et al."<br>
<br>
So basically the chinese play is not of being part of a collaborative<br>
internet, but driving strategically the direction to become an independent<br>
island in the world.<br>
<br>
-naif<br>
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