<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>Hi </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">Baudouin,</span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">The issue arising here is that of ownership in the cyber space.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">I want to believe that in the nearest future, the hypothesis of partitioning the global web space into
national web spaces might come to the scene.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">A scenario where internet users will need a kind of virtual visa to gain access to a web space out of their national territory.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">To anticipate this kind of an event, we should take the chinese very serious and dig deep into the initiative.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">May be its an polite method of contesting the legitimacy of the Internet governing body?</span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">----------------</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2">permit me to ask the following question:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2">- Which is more important, the content in the internet or the technology?</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2">- If you create your own technology, is there any guarantee that you will not censor content? <b>(PIPA/SOPA)</b></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2">- If we create virtual borders in our cyber space, what will become of the information society?+</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2">- Are we going to jeopardize the outcomes of Tunis Summit ?</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"
size="2">These are just a few questions for us to ponder on, especially or Chinese friends and colleagues.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b style="">___________________________________<br> </b></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="3"><b style="">Asama Abel Excel<br> </b><i>President and CEO<br></i> I-VISSION INTERNATIONAL<br> Box 13040 Blvd de la rep.<br> Feu Rouge Bessengué</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="3"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Douala Cameroon<br> <span
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size="3"><span style="" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Twitter:</span> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.twitter.com/ivission">www.twitter.com/ivission</a> <br> <span style="font-weight:bold;">NW</span>: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.meetup.com/ivission">www.meetup.com/ivission</a> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span></span></div><div style="font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Baudouin SCHOMBE <b.schombe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; michael
gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> lists@infosecurity.ch <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 25 juin 2012 10h33<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [governance] FW: [liberationtech] Chinese preparing for a "Autonomous Internet" ?<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv248230497"><span id="yiv248230497result_box" class="yiv248230497" lang="en"><span class="yiv248230497hps">hello all</span><span>,</span><br><br> <span class="yiv248230497hps">I</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">wonder about</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">the relevance of the</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">Chinese</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">proposal</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">for</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">the autonomy of the</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">Internet</span><span>!</span><br>
<span class="yiv248230497hps">Given the changes</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">in strength</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">of</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">online crime</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">or</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">more</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">of the</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">core</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">cybrecriminalité</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">in cyberspace</span><span>,</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">this proposal</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">of autonomy</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">of the internet</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">would it</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">not justified</span><span>?</span><br>
<span class="yiv248230497hps">There is</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">reason to believe</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">and even</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">to believe</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">that there are</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">states</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">that are also</span> <span class="yiv248230497hps">cyber criminals</span><span>!<br>
<br><br clear="all"></span></span>SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN<br><br>Téléphone mobile:+243998983491<br>email : <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:b.schombe@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:b.schombe@gmail.com">b.schombe@gmail.com</a><br>skype : b.schombe<br>
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<br><br><div class="yiv248230497gmail_quote">2012/6/17 michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="yiv248230497gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
If I am reading this below correctly...<br>
<br>
One possible effect of an Internet governance system which refuses to<br>
"internationalize" as per the current discussion is one that fractures...<br>
Not to say that the regimes in certain countries wouldn't try to force a<br>
fracture in any case but just to say that the refusal to allow any<br>
"flexibility" in the areas of internationalization of governance makes such<br>
fractures very very much more likely and globally would increase support<br>
for/weaken opposition to such developments.<br>
<br>
M<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
i wanted to notice that there is a new internet draft in IETF that should<br>
make us think on the chinese government respect strategies to internet<br>
governance issues.<br>
<br>
DNS Extension for Autonomous Internet(AIP)<br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-diao-aip-dns-00">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-diao-aip-dns-00</a><br>
<br>
This proposal by China Telecom, China Mobile & Guangdong Commercial College<br>
propose.<br>
<br>
Even if we know that "root servers" are very well distributed across the<br>
world / countries trough a collaborative system, chinese see this as a<br>
"central control".<br>
<br>
From Introduction on Root DNS:<br>
" But its central control<br>
method is not suitable to autonomy and scalability and can't keep up<br>
with the fast development of Internet. To national internet network,<br>
owning its independent root DNS server and realize autonomy in<br>
Internet is a problem not only for the cost but also for the<br>
technical difficulty. It is almost impossible in current DNS<br>
architecture."<br>
<br>
From AIP DNS Architecture:<br>
"In order to realize the transition from Internet to Autonomous<br>
Internet, each partition of current Internet should first realize<br>
possible self-government and gradually reduce its dependence on the<br>
foreign domain names, such as COM, NET et al."<br>
<br>
So basically the chinese play is not of being part of a collaborative<br>
internet, but driving strategically the direction to become an independent<br>
island in the world.<br>
<br>
-naif<br>
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