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<div>the technical community is "addressing the open issues with current governance." You may not like what you see or, even, you may not see it, but it is being done (not "happening" but being done.)</div>
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<div>At some point we had high hopes that people with your type of education, experience, and outlook, and with whom we have established a lot of trust through common efforts like the ISTF, would join forces and instill wisdom in a true grand collaboration.</div>
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<div>I - against a load of evidence - continue hopeful.</div>
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<div id="divRpF175027" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>Desde:</b> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Ian Peter [ian.peter@ianpeter.com]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 14 de junio de 2012 18:58<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; David Conrad; parminder<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [governance] "Oversight"<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">David wrote:<br>
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>You keep saying this, but I see no evidence of this stance from anyone. What I do see is pragmatism: the Internet largely >works (for some value of the variable 'work') and before we risk that, we need to be sure what replaces the current >scheme isn't going
to break things.<br>
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I personally will be much happier when the technical community, in addition to acknowledging that there are issues with current governance, takes a pro-active stance in devising new governance patterns rather than just taking a stance of providing a critique
of proposals. <br>
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A lack of progress in this area only feeds the arguments of those who want greater government control.<br>
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Ian Peter<br>
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<b>From: </b>David Conrad <<a href="UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">drc@virtualized.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b><<a href="UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, David Conrad <<a href="UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">drc@virtualized.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:14:13 -0700<br>
<b>To: </b><<a href="UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, parminder <<a href="UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] "Oversight"<br>
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Norbert and Parminder,<br>
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On Jun 14, 2012, at 3:53 AM, parminder wrote:<br>
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</span></font><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">Norbert has put the 'slippery slope' scenario quite well.<br>
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From my perspective, having been at times in various points in the processes you're concerned about, these scenarios all fail the sniff test. They rely on several independent parties (at the very least, the USG, the root server operators, and the operators
of resolvers) all working in concert against their own self interest in order for actions to be taken that can be much more easily imposed with less political/economic/social risk/fallout at other points in the system. The idea that ISPs of the world would
turn a blind eye and meekly submit if the US government decided to hijack root name resolution regardless of the reason doesn't even pass the giggle test for me.<br>
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However, it seems clear to me that you are convinced this is a viable threat and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise. I gather you believe there needs to be a treaty-based solution to address that threat:<br>
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<blockquote><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">But since in the discharge of the oversight role, commission is a much bigger issue than omission, it is certainly better if say 15 other country reps have to simultaneously agree
to an act of commission along with the US rather than US getting to decide it alone.
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(and people complain that root zone changes take far too long now :-))<br>
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<blockquote><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">And that much better if there is an international law to clearly describe the oversight role, its procedures and limits, and an international judicial system to adjudicate whether
the concerned body acted as per the relevant international law. <br>
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As I tried to describe earlier, as far as I know, the current role of the USG in matters related to root zone management is to verify that ICANN hasn't gone off the rails. It has no active role. It doesn't propose changes (well, other than changes to domains
it has direct responsibility for like .US). What exactly do you anticipate this international body doing? Given the technical architecture of the DNS requires a single source of data and that single source must physically exist in some host country somewhere,
how would this international body prevent the host country from doing exactly the same actions you believe the US can take?<br>
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<blockquote><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">None of this exists at present vis a vis US's exercise of the oversight role. It just a bunch of people convinced that US's is a good and benign government.
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You keep saying this, but I see no evidence of this stance from anyone. What I do see is pragmatism: the Internet largely works (for some value of the variable 'work') and before we risk that, we need to be sure what replaces the current scheme isn't going
to break things.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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