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On 31.05.12 09:13, parminder wrote:
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1) Facebook, and similar global social utilities, get completely
territorialised, serving each country a version that is specific
to the
laws and customs of that country <br>
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Unfortunately, the process by which this happens is severely flawed
and therefore unacceptable. <br>
You either provide an unfiltered media, or you are not -- in which
case there will be someone else to offer it unfiltered, at least for
a while.<br>
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2) We go by a global least denominator for the whole world (which
as
you argue is not acceptable)<br>
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There is no such. The global least denominator is: Shutdown Internet<br>
But, it is too late for this now. Everyone, including those
"government regulators" want the Internet. Governments want the
Internet, because they are elected from time to time. Any political
party that insists on shutting down or filtering Internet is not
going to be elected in the Government (so yes, politicians too make
*commercial* decisions)<br>
Currently, those politicians resort to lying. They promise free and
unrestricted Internet, yet they go on and sign ACTA... oops. Lost
trust. Somebody else will win the next elections.<br>
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3) we leave things to private regulation, the will of the monopoly
companies almost entirely determined by maximum profit motive <br>
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There is no such thing, as private and public regulation. Those are
political terms. Anything that does not agree with the "powers that
be" is labeled "private" and "not in the public interests". Same old
story... <br>
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There is no political system, that can work with the Internet. The
only applicable law is the "common sense" law -- that every human
being on this planet knows unconditionally. Unfortunately, this
means global conflict. Big global conflict.<br>
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In default, to me, our best political option is to seek an
appropriate
national-global political system for the Internet, and keep
struggling
for better and better avenues for civil society participation,
while
warding off possible attempts at using the same avenues for even
greater corporate influence on Internet related policies. <br>
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As for global political systems necessarily producing lowest
denominator outcome, this is not true. Also such an argument can
be
used against any political system and thus in its essence is
simply an
'anti-political' argument. However, ad hoc, one-off, arrangements
and
agreements among governments are more likely to produce such
lowest
denomination like bad results. More open, insitutionalised
political
processes generally tend to produce better results, and that is
what is
being sought in our call for democratising global IG.<br>
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One of the things Internet changed, as communication infrastructure
was the removal of the bilateral or multi-lateral agreements between
all participating parties. Once you are connected, you can
communicate with all others.<br>
It is like once a new human is born, it can communicate with the
rest of the society. If they develop good behavior, they get more
respected. if they develop bad behavior, they get refused. This is
how the human society naturally self-regulates.<br>
Laws... is the thing that artificially distort this self-regulation
in one way or another. Yet, the human society self-regulation
remains functional (with or without laws).<br>
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By the way, if you are inclined to label me as "neo liberal" (or
whatever) or as someone against laws, you would be wrong. I won't
argue anyway :)<br>
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Daniel<br>
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