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Because ICANN is now subject to California law, and hence operates in conformance with its legal requirements; it is relatively straightforward to include in a future hypothetical host country agreement cross-reference to particular legal standards that must
be followed by the organization, and methods of recourse for aggrieved parties. I believe. I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet.<br>
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And, if we are now building a host country agreement from scratch, we might for example insert European data protection standards into that agreement.
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Of course, the whole point of the exercise would be to further augment the organization's openness, transparency, and accessibility. Just because the International Olympic Committee is closest in business model to FIFA in terms of non-transparency and raining
favors on anointed insiders, doesn't mean all international organizations must.<br>
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As far as I know, the International Red Cross, for example, operating in most nations, manages to be open and accessible to average citizens while also going toe to toe with governments when they need to.
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The point is, if the solution is agreed to be internationalization, then - internationalize the thing, but not in a way that shuts people, or for that matter, governments or businesses, out. And yes the devil is in the details which will need to be laboriously
worked out which will take years....presuming there is even a willingness to consider. Perfect topic for IGF workshops for x years ; ).<br>
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Lee <br>
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<div>In order to have a "host country" agreement, would require - if i'm not mistaken - the same type of legal status the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has. IOC isn't a terribly open and transparent organization.</div>
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<div>We need more, not less transparency, openness and accountability at ICANN - not less.</div>
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<div>Robert</div>
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<div>On 2012-06-01, at 2:54 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Can someone explain to me what a "host country agreement" accomplishes for Internet users and service operators?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My vague understanding of it is that from a legal perspective, such agreements can actually immunize the organization from various forms of legal accountability which,
imho, is not something we want to do. For example, ICANN _<i>should</i>_ be subject to antitrust law; it _<i>should</i>_ be subject to the membership requirements of California public benefit law (and stop pretending that it doesn't have members).</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">And, those of you who want this to happen because California law is too remote and parochial for, say a villager in Zimbabwe, please explain to me how a host country agreement
in Geneva is any more accessible to a villager in Zimbabw? The government of Zimbabwe, perhaps, but the people there?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This could just be my own ignorance of a what a host country agreement is, but please, let's make the rights and benefits it affords Netizens the standard here, not conformity
to past intergovernmental patterns.</span></div>
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<span style="color: black;">On Jun 1, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Avri Doria wrote:</span></div>
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<span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black;">I personally beleive, and have believed for a long time, that it should have a host country agreement with an appropriate host country.</span></span><span style="color: black;"></span></div>
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<span style="color: black;">Me too, and we are waiting patiently here in Geneva. But on the off chance that proves a tough sell in certain quarters, how about something more incremental: independent of the USG, with a host country agreement, in the US? There's
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