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face="Times New Roman">INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Registered sex offenders who have
been banned from <SPAN id=lw_1338419232_6 class="yshortcuts cs4-ndcor">social
networking</SPAN> websites are fighting back in the nation's courts,
successfully challenging many of the restrictions as infringements on free
speech and their right to participate in common online
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<H1 class=headline><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
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[mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro<BR>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:02 AM<BR>To: Jac sm
Kee<BR>Cc: governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Marilia Maciel; McTim<BR>Subject: Re:
[governance] Facebook profiles blocked and content removed in
Brazil<BR><BR></H1></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jac sm Kee <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jac@apcwomen.org"
target=_blank>jac@apcwomen.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<BR>Hash: SHA1<BR><BR>hi
all,<BR><BR>a glimpse into how FB implements its censorship policies in
practice:<BR><A
href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/22/low-wage-facebook-contractor-leaks-secret-censorship-list/"
target=_blank>http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/22/low-wage-facebook-contractor-leaks-secret-censorship-list/</A><BR>
<DIV><BR>In those countries, the people make their laws through the<BR>>
parliament and one can say that they are legitimately exercising<BR>>
their sovereign right to determine what is "acceptable" versus what<BR>>
is "not acceptable" - do we then dare say that they are wrong.<BR>> Every
country has the sovereign right and the people therein the<BR>> sovereign
right to determine for themselves what is "public<BR>>
morality".<BR></DIV>actually, the state's duties to protect public morality
is precisely<BR>what provides legitimate cause of governments to intervene
and create<BR>more laws around censorship of the internet - and this needs a
closer<BR>and more critical analysis than accepting as is. e.g. in brazil,
the<BR>problematic azeredo bill was first pushed under economic
arguments<BR>(preventing financial fraud) - didn't work. but when it was
pushed<BR>under child protection arguments, it almost went through without
a<BR>hiccup and galvanised a lot of support (which also resulted in a
huge<BR>protests - but different story).<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>There are two opposing schools of thought and maybe more, one holds the
view that what is true in the real world must hold true in the virtual world.
Paraphrasing that would mean that laws that are applicable in real time should
be applicable in the internet. The other believes that there should be
separate laws in real life and separate laws for the Internet. Every
event/transaction has to be analysed according to its own merits so that the
danger of painting everyone with the same brush is reduced.</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>pornography is another obvious one, but then what does
this constitute<BR>and how is it defined can be a problem - as can be seen
the FB<BR>scenario. not the first time they have come across problems, e.g.
they<BR>are notorious for blocking photographs of women breastfeeding.
compare<BR>this against e.g. time magazine's recent controversial cover of
a<BR>woman breastfeeding, which is okay under US laws - so, lowest
common<BR>denominator internationally?</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>This, I would respectfully submit is not the correct test.What is
culturally acceptable in Miami, Florida, US is not the same as in Qatar,
Malaysia etc. To dictate to them what their public morality won't buy us
any ground as far as advocacy for freedom of expression is concerned and only
serves to alienate without educating and giving them an opportunity to learn
and grow. See the tests that the US Supreme court used in the Miller
case.</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>this would mean anything less than e.g.<BR>fully closed
face and ankles and wrists would be unacceptable. that<BR>doesn't quite make
sense either.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>That was never said. For the record, the discussions have been about
namely the following:-</DIV>
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<OL>
<LI>Is the right of freedom of expression an absolute right? Is it an
unfettered right?
<LI>Does the right of freedom of expression come with responsibilities?
<LI>Who should be responsible when it comes to the Internet?
<LI>Are there exceptions under International law?
<LI>What are those exceptions?
<LI>Are there instances where the exceptions have been abused?
<LI>How can civil society advocate responsibly?</LI></OL>
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class=gmail_quote>apc has been doing a research on examining how internet
regulation and<BR>regulation of sexuality goes hand-in-hand, and it's thrown
up some<BR>interesting points. from e.g. international aid for
infrastructure<BR>that comes encumbered with policy requirements and setting
national<BR>agendas on e.g. the issue of child pornography, to the
contentious<BR>geopolitical negotiations around sexual speech, health,
rights and<BR>citizenship. more info: <A href="http://erotics.apc.org"
target=_blank>http://erotics.apc.org</A><BR><BR>i've also been reading the
conversations around EC and democratization<BR>of IG on this list with
interest. and the thing that bugs me about<BR>looking at democratization
starting from national democratic processes<BR>is that the potential of the
internet to facilitate democratic<BR>participation and deliberations is
precisely because it is currently<BR>still somewhat slippery from complete
state control, as opposed to<BR>e.g. broadcasting media and books and
streets. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> I think that when making a broad assertion that you give specific
examples so that there can be discussion and debate.</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>so i am reluctant to<BR>say that states should ahve
oversight and negotiate it from there.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>There is some misunderstanding. In any sovereign jurisdiction, civil
society, private sector and the state each have their place. The foundation of
multistakeholderism stems from the basic notion that the governments, private
sector and civil society have clear functions. What is enhanced cooperation
domestically within a nation and what does it look like outside the country?
What should it look like?</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>although i understand that global governance and oversight
is<BR>different from national, but when states become the highest
hierarchy<BR>of authority, then my point of entry for engagement as civ soc
would<BR>be from that level. it's not something i am optimistic
about..<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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class=gmail_quote><BR>anyway, 2 cents,<BR>jac<BR>
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<DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR>><BR>><BR>> What FB is doing will potentially
impact the way that younger<BR>> generations<BR>>> will perceive
liberty (including body expression and sexual<BR>>> liberty) and
morality. And, in my country, FB is actually being<BR>>> more
conservative than traditional media, endangering the<BR>>> progress we
made on recent decades when it comes to body<BR>>> expression women's
rights and sexual rights.<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>>> Is it
facebook that is being conservative? Afterall, they are<BR>>> merely
trying to comply with the laws of the land. I think that<BR>>> if
people have an issue, they should take it up with their<BR>>>
respective Parliaments and have it debated. These comments are<BR>>>
restricted to the "Freedom of Expression" but when it comes to<BR>>>
"Privacy" and "misuse" of information and data - I have
different<BR>>> views.<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>>> I do
not feel comfortable to place this sort of decision on FB's<BR>>>
hands, with no chance of democratic debate, with no chance to<BR>>>
scrutinize these policies they impinge on users.<BR>>><BR>>>
These are good discussions and Turkey and Thailand and the US<BR>>>
make<BR>> fascinating studies.<BR>><BR>>> Best,
Marília<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Some basic conclusions: a) rights, such as freedom
of<BR>>>>>>
expression,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Why would one who uses
FB think they can express themselves<BR>>>>> outside of the FB
ToS/AUP?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> are
being<BR>>>>>> restricted by the same platforms that are
praised and known<BR>>>>>> for<BR>>>>>
enabling<BR>>>>>> their exercise; b) there is a privatization
of Internet<BR>>>>>> regulation,<BR>>>>>
subtle,<BR>>>>>> based on contracts (terms of
use)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Would you argue that Internet
companies have NO
ToS?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> , but yet,
dangerous; c) I see no adequate<BR>>>>>> forum where we
should take this issue to be analized in a<BR>>>>> participatory
and<BR>>>>>> balanced way in the global
arena.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Nor
should there be
IMHO.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> --
Cheers,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> McTim "A name indicates what
we seek. An address indicates<BR>>>>> where it is. A route
indicates how we get there." Jon<BR>>>>>
Postel<BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
-- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell:<BR>>>>
<A href="tel:%2B679%20998%202851" target=_blank value="+6799982851">+679 998
2851</A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
-- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio<BR>>><BR>>>
Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio<BR>>>
de Janeiro - Brazil<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV>-
--<BR>Jac sm Kee<BR>Women's Rights Policy Coordinator<BR>Association for
Progressive Communications<BR><A href="http://www.apc.org"
target=_blank>www.apc.org</A> | <A href="http://erotics.apc.org"
target=_blank>erotics.apc.org</A> | <A href="http://www.takebackthetech.net"
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<DIV>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala</DIV>
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