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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=PT-BR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you Alex for spread the correct information. Just remembering Fellowship program is dedicated to developing countries to facilitate the outreach of new member for ICANN community and to spread a word inside these countries about the Internet whole world of Names and Numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>Em nome de </b>Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<br><b>Enviada em:</b> quarta-feira, 30 de maio de 2012 10:59<br><b>Para:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Riaz K Tayob; Adam Peake<br><b>Cc:</b> Guru </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Mangal","serif"'>गुरु</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><b>Assunto:</b> RE: IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality check on economics)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Riaz, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>the fellowship program is not a travel program. It is capacity building. Therefore Fellows are chosen who can do the hard work that Adam has described, and will continue to contribute to the community in whatever of many different roles. Engineers/lawyers/activists/policy-makers, people working independently, civil servants, NGO militants, all have been Fellows and gained the ability to influence events and decisions in their environment with full, grounded knowledge of ICANN's subject matter and mechanisms.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Alejandro Pisanty<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>! !! !!! !!!!</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SMS +525541444475 </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><br><span class=apple-style-span> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty</span><br><span class=apple-style-span>UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico</span><br><br><span class=apple-style-span>Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732</span><br><br><span class=apple-style-span>Blog: <a href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com">http://pisanty.blogspot.com</a></span><br><span class=apple-style-span>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty">http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</a></span><br><span class=apple-style-span>Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614">http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</a></span><br><span class=apple-style-span>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/apisanty">http://twitter.com/apisanty</a></span><br><span class=apple-style-span>---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, <a href="http://www.isoc.org">http://www.isoc.org</a></span><br><span class=apple-style-span>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF807711><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Desde:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Riaz K Tayob [riaz.tayob@gmail.com]<br><b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 30 de mayo de 2012 05:37<br><b>Hasta:</b> Adam Peake<br><b>CC:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Guru </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Mangal","serif";color:black'>गुरु</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality check on economics)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks.<br><br>Not sure what "Recipients are expected to actively participate in and contribute to ICANN processes, both at the meeting and in the future." means though...<br><br>But lets see... <br><br>On 2012/05/29 01:47 PM, Adam Peake wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:black'>Riaz, hi.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Copied from another list:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span style='color:black'>ICANN's Fellowship programme has now opened<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>for applications for travel funding to the Toronto<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>meeting:<<a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-23may12-en.htm">http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-23may12-en.htm</a>><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Applications are welcome until 8 July.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre></blockquote><pre><span style='color:black'>Try it? Though fellowships tend to slightly favor applicants from the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>region where the meeting's being held.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Riaz K Tayob <<a href="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com">riaz.tayob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span style='color:black'>Guru<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>The questions you pose are important and not adequately addressed under this<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>header, especially as regards principled positions. There is adequate<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>attention paid to reform (which is essentially about "effectiveness") but<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>less about principled (or dare I say it on this list "radical") positions.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>International law, or governance, is both about effectiveness AND<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>legitimacy. Without this parallax view, these discussions become mired in<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>convolutions as the subject matter (and/or goal) is not clearly articulated<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>- i.e. terrain specificity.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>It is NOT possible to argue or intimate that ICANN is legitimate, even<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>though some try to do so. It may be effective, like IETF, but legitimacy<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>will always be elusive, given current arrangements. Inadequacies abound<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>about the lack of legitimacy, gTlds, intellectual property and also the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>thwarting of the will of many poor countries to have some legitimate control<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>over CIR. Unless one has ideological (or pay check) blinkers this ought to<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>be a moot point. For many on this list, it is not, and will not in the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>foreseeable future.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>On reform, there are many avenues to follow, often dictated by the realm of<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>possibility that is severely constrained given current predilections. And<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>more attention needs to be given to these elements from a principled stance<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>as Gurstein has ventured. What I would really like to hear more about is the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>problem of marrying the technical with the non-technical as there is a<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>dialectical relationship between the two (tech is tech, but tech is also law<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>as Lessig puts it). But the debate would need to move away from the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>pedestrian one, "if it aint broke don't fix it" or "where is your<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>alternative" as if these cannot be created, as if ICANN et al have not<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>reinvented themselves to make themselves seem more legitimate dolling out<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>dosh and following the Iraq & Afghanistan pacification strategy post<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>invasion.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>There are improvements that need to be made, but I am not sure the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>imagination has been sufficiently decolonised (in general) to even pursue<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>some of the inquiries you pose and perhaps some more reality is needed on<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>these matters...<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>On 2012/05/25 04:26 AM, Guru </span><span style='font-family:"Mangal","serif";color:black'>गुरु</span><span style='color:black'> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> ask ourselves how we can make the current IG more democratic.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Who pays the price for the current IG regimes and lack of its accountability<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>to the "global society"? Conversely, who does it benefit disproportionately?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>____________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>To be removed from the list, visit:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>For all other list information and functions, see:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>