Dear Guru,<div><br></div><div>It was a wink, as I know you know :-) </div><div><br></div><div>By the way, Parminder's paper moves the discussion from the diplomatic debate to the more political arena and it clearly is a part of the discussion. As a matter of fact, I am a bit surprised that the IGC list did not harbor a deeper debate on these issues, as was the case in the past. </div>
<div><br></div><div>As for my hope about oversimplifications not clouding the debate, you know I am sincere when I say "from all sides". Let's try to both speak and listen. </div><div><br></div><div>Let's see how the discussions go today and next week. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>B. </div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Guru गुरु <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Guru@itforchange.net" target="_blank">Guru@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Wikipedia says "</font> An <b>op-ed</b>, abbreviated from <b>opposite
the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editorial_page" title="Editorial page" target="_blank">editorial page</a></b><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed#cite_note-0" target="_blank"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup>
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The Hindu as I mentioned is a reputed and sober daily and their
op-ed is usually solicited by the paper. So their carrying the civil
society statement and Parminders write-up on why CIRP is an
opportunity to democratise global internet governance is also a
recognition of this position. <br>
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As in the very recent case of UNCTAD, the concerted attempt by
powerful countries to undermine global democracy possibilities needs
to be resisted... see recent article in Frontline (a weekly
publication from the same group)-
<a href="http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20120601291005300.htm" target="_blank">http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20120601291005300.htm</a> , we
have also seen similar debates in WIPO etc and this is a dire need
in IG. <br>
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regards,<br>
Guru<br>
ps - I like the way you mention your hope that 'over-simplification
- on all sides - will not prevent doing useful work for the benefit
of all', probably just a question of superiority, I guess :-)<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 17/05/12 22:04, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
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<div>I like the discretion with which you do not mention that the
op-ed in the Hindu is actually from Parminder and not an op-ed
by the newspaper itself as your wording seemed to imply if one
did not follow the link ;-) probably just a question of
modesty. </div>
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<div>But anyway, the discussion is getting interesting .... let's
hope oversimplifications - on all sides - will not prevent doing
useful work for the benefit of all. </div>
<div>Looking forward to the discussions tomorrow and afterwards.</div>
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गुरु <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Guru@itforchange.net" target="_blank">Guru@itforchange.net</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Yes, its good that
the Indian press is now also paying attention to the
larger challenge of Internet governance - of the
implications of the current undemocratic regimes and
processes....<br>
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The Hindu is one of India's most respected and sober
dailies and its Op-Ed today has an article on the issue.
The Op-Ed page also carries the civil society statement,
which now has more than 50 institutions from across the
world endorsing it. (statement also available in chinese,
spanish, french and portuguese on <a href="http://www.itforchange.net/civil_society_statement_on_democratic_internet" target="_blank">http://www.itforchange.net/civil_society_statement_on_democratic_internet</a>
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Link to the Joint civil society statement - in The Hindu
Op-Ed : <a href="http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3426290.ece" target="_blank">http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3426290.ece</a><br>
Link to the article - The Hindu Op-Ed : <a href="http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3426292.ece" target="_blank">http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3426292.ece</a><br>
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As the article and the statement explain, many of us have
been crying 'Govt takeover' too often and too long... and
it is high time we *<b><u>also</u></b>* discuss the
emperor's robes (sorry for mixed metaphors:-) )<br>
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regards<br>
Guru
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