Hi,<div>Goog suggestion Patrick, I support it.<br>Best and thanks</div><div>Olga<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">El 5 de marzo de 2012 20:33, Patrik Fältström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se">paf@frobbit.se</a>></span> escribió:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Ok, I must step in here and suggest a few things...<div><br></div><div>To be as constructive as possible, and have the ability to move forward in the discussion, I think it is important to keep a few issues apart, although of course to some degree they are related. Let me suggest a way of cutting the cake.</div>
<div><br></div><div>1. The ability for entities to trade domain names</div><div><br></div><div>2. The ability for the result of a trade to be reflected in the whois and other databases a RIR is running</div><div><br></div>
<div>3. Relationship between RIR's and legacy address holders</div><div><br></div><div><div>4. Relationship between RIR's and non-legacy address holders</div></div><div><br></div><div>5. The harmonization or non-harmonization of the policies between the RIR's on topics like the above</div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div> Patrik</div></font></span><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On 6 mar 2012, at 04:53, Milton L Mueller wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite">
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<div><div class="h5"><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:rgb(31,73,125)">You can’t have an unfettered market until the framework for transfers is harmonized and globalized across RIRs.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:rgb(31,73,125)">The issue of legacy holders’ rights needs to be settled. The way for inter-regional transfers needs to be cleared. A strong ASO or process for making global policies, which usually fails in the RIR system, needs to be created. And so on.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>McTim [mailto:<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>]<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, March 05, 2012 3:19 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Milton L Mueller<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span>William Drake; <a href="mailto:igf-cir@lists.frobbit.se" target="_blank">igf-cir@lists.frobbit.se</a>; Carlos A. Afonso; IGF Members<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [governance] IGF 2012 - CIR?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Hi Milton,<br><br>On Monday, March 5, 2012, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> If they discuss IPv6, they must also discuss the emergence of trading markets for scarce IPv4 addresses, which is actually the only relevant policy issue at the moment and one which actually (unlike 90% of what is now discussed at IGF) something that requires global coordination and governance.<br>
><br><br>Exactly what global coordination and governance do you mean?<br><br>I thought you were a proponent of an unfettered v4 market!?<br><br>Rgds,<br><br>McTim<br><br><br><br>> <br>><br>> Naturally I'd put myself forward as someone who both knows something about that issue and would offer a refreshing alternative reality-check to what you are likely to get from certain other sources.<br>
><br>> <br>><br>> From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] On Behalf Of William Drake<br>
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 4:31 AM<br>> To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:igf-cir@lists.frobbit.se" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">igf-cir@lists.frobbit.se</a><br>> Cc: Carlos A. Afonso;<span> </span><a href="mailto:igf-cir@lists.frobbit.se" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">igf-cir@lists.frobbit.se</a>; IGF Members;<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
> Subject: [governance] Re: [cir] [igf_members] IGF 2012 - CIR?<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Hi Tulika<br>><br>> <br>><br>> There is a MAG + working group that is actively debating the topics and questions for the CIR session. Jennifer Warren of Lockheed Corp, Is the facilitator. The discussion unfortunately has fallen short of being consensual, with Avri and I arguing for inclusion of the WCIT and other geopolitical topics like enhanced cooperation, contentious string selection, and jurisdiction and extraterritoriality (SOPA, ICE, etc) we think are likely to be of broad interest in November, while business folks have been less receptive to these matters and are plumping instead for more narrow gauge and technical topics like Internet of Things, IPv6 (again!), migration of resources to IP nets, and spectrum/mobile. I don't know Where this end up, but my hope is that we can arrive at a balanced compromise on four topics that gives each side a bit of what it wants, the government reps on the list have been silent, and it would be helpful to hear their thoughts either way. Since you are not on the (still active) 2011 MAG I don't know if you can join, but you might try, otherwise I'd be happy to pass along any statements from you as inputs.<br>
><br>> <br>><br>> Best<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Bill<br>><br>> <br>><br>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 18:02, TULIKA PANDEY <<a href="mailto:tulika@nic.in" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">tulika@nic.in</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> Dear All,<br>><br>> <br>><br>> I would like to hear some response to Carlos's concerns and inputs for the CIR session as I tend to agree with all his suggestions, especially his inputs on ITU initiatives.<br>
><br>> <br>><br>> <br>><br>> Tulika Pandey<br>><br>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> Dear people,<br>><br>> The February synthesis paper of the open consultations published in the<br>> IGF official site mentions the following regarding "critical Internet<br>> resources":<br>
><br>> --- begin doc citation ---<br>><br>> 25. In terms of Critical Internet Resources it was seen by several<br>> commentators that further debate is needed around issues such as the<br>> institutional structure of IG, including the future of ICANN, IP<br>
> addressing, root servers and Internet exchange points.<br>><br>> 26. Several suggestions were made for the Critical Internet Issues<br>> theme, including, inter alia;<br>><br>> • Best Practices for eliminating barriers to access to the Internet;<br>
><br>> • IPv6 and the impact and opportunities for the developing world that<br>> may result from the transition to IPv6 and how does the coming depletion<br>> of IPv4 addresses affect developing countries?<br>
><br>> • What is the effect of the deployment of multilingual domain names,<br>> i.e. IDN.IDN?<br>><br>> • Issues of ICANN's naming policy and the impact of the new gTLDs and<br>> IDN gTLDs;<br>><br>
> • Technical issues such as DNS blocking and how such technical issues<br>> drive or impact policy.<br>><br>> --- end doc citation ---<br>><br>> In light of the ongoing ITU process leading to WCIT 2012 aiming at,<br>
> among other goals, radically revising the 1988 ITR to try to take<br>> account of the ICT challenges posed by the Internet, I think the above<br>> points are far from sufficient.<br>><br>> At a minimum, IGF's CIR "track" should include a review of the ITU<br>
> meetings' outcomes.<br>><br>> fraternal regards<br>><br>> --c.a.<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> igf_members mailing list<br>><span> </span><a href="mailto:igf_members@intgovforum.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">igf_members@intgovforum.org</a><br>
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><br>> <br>><br>> --<br>> Tulika Pandey<br>> Additional Director<br>> Department of Information Technology<br>> Room 3089, Electronics Niketan<br>> 6 CGO Complex, Ne<br><br>--<span> </span><br>
Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div class="im">_______________________________________________<br>
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