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A number of feelings and questions arise about these kinds of
incidents (more exploratory than anything else):<br>
<br>
Is this just a case of a few bad apples, ala phone tapping under
Bush, Abu Ghraib war-porn, etc?<br>
<br>
While I do not agree with all of Zizek, what he said on Wikileaks in
general is, it is not like we did not know, but now we can no longer
pretend. Or not. As Hegel said, civil society is an ugly place. <br>
<br>
Perhaps one cannot help feeling rather naive in participating in
civil society processes (maybe this makes for true and necessary
idealism). Especially when there is such an intimate association
between certain government & corporation interests duly
reflected in civil society as well. While other important public
interest voices are (by and large) kept at a low intensity democracy
distance like Alfonso, Parminder, Gurstein or Auerbach etc (not
uninfluential, but merely my estimate in terms of outcomes).<br>
<br>
Other concerns then do arise about civil society players who made
common cause with such views. Discerning who is what is quite
difficult as there are many many well meaning individuals and
organisations who recognise the threats and seek to limit the
egregious excesses of the system and need to maintain "credibility"
for their reform efforts. <br>
<br>
This is an ugly business indeed and it is great that many in this
community seen it for what it is.<br>
<br>
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<br>
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On 2012/03/05 10:00 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Veni
contacted Stratfor, that much is clear. (See initial email
text below) "Potential for future cooperation" is typical
consultant-speak for some kind of a deal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
is a good example of how certain people participate in
ICANN: as a channel for networking to advance their own
personal power and income.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
should never be naïve enough to think that those kind of
people don't play a major role in open institutions (or
closed ones, for that matter).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">--MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: Veni Markovski [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:veni@veni.com">mailto:veni@veni.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM<br>
To: Fred Burton<br>
Subject: Re: Hi<br>
<br>
Hi.<br>
I saw Strafor's George Fridman being quoted in the New York
Times on the<br>
situation in Georgia, and that triggered my interest, as I
have a lot of<br>
contacts on different levels in Russia/CIS/Black Sea region.<br>
I would be thankful if you could point me to someone at
Stratfor, who is<br>
dealing with the region, so that we can exchange some
information, and see<br>
if there might be potential for some future cooperation.<br>
<br>
Would it be possible to talk to someone over the phone? My
phone is<br>
646-873-7708<br>
<br>
Thanks.<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 03, 2012 1:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Petko Kolev<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Paul Lehto; McTim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] ICANN staff member
and Stratfor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But is that enough to insinuate that the
leak came from him? Could someone have hacked into his
mailbox or sent the email from his government mailing
address with the intention of destroying his reputation?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would a reasonable person intending to
send information do so from a public address which is
subject to internal scrutiny and mechanisms?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Assuming that there was a deliberate
move to destroy Veni, what I am interested in is what is
the reason behind targeting Veni and what is the "unseen
play" that "someone" does'nt want us to "see".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hmmmm<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:32 AM,
Petko Kolev <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:petko.kolev49@gmail.com">petko.kolev49@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here is an English translation of
the original article:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=137218"
target="_blank">http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=137218</a><br>
<br>
People in Bulgaria doesn`t seem to care about how
Statfor describes<br>
Veni (imo, its ludicrous, yes), but care about what
he might have done<br>
during his affiliation with the "private CIA",
because in the same<br>
time he was an adviser to the Bulgarian president
and to the minister<br>
of IT. For example, he contacted Statfor from a
governmental mailbox.<br>
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/558496_email-of-fred-burton-.html"
target="_blank">http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/558496_email-of-fred-burton-.html</a>)<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Petko<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Paul Lehto <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com">lehto.paul@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Unless the authenticity of the Stratfor
documents is attacked (and I'm not<br>
> aware that it is being attacked) then no
matter how "ludicrous" it is, or<br>
> appears to be, it nevertheless reveals the
processes of the Stratfor<br>
> organization that seems to style itself as
a private CIA, specifically as<br>
> these processes touch upon internet
governance, even including discussion of<br>
> Veni (a member of this list for many
years).<br>
><br>
> Whether it's ludicrous or not, it's
relevant to what's happening, and<br>
> reveals the (messed up) ways Stratfor
thinks about internet governance and<br>
> then presumably advises its high profile
client list accordingly. These<br>
> clients are paying Stratfor good money for
advice about internet governance<br>
> and other issues.<br>
><br>
> Just think, Stratfor could have made more
money and assembled better advice<br>
> about internet governance by cutting and
pasting from this listserv. :)<br>
><br>
> Paul Lehto, J.D.<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:18 AM, McTim <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On 3/2/12, Petko Kolev <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:petko.kolev49@gmail.com">petko.kolev49@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> > Might be interesting -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://domainincite.com/icann-staffer-linked-to-hacked-intelligence-firm/"
target="_blank">
http://domainincite.com/icann-staffer-linked-to-hacked-intelligence-firm/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Might be, if it wasn't ludicrous...Veni
was a member of this list for<br>
>> many years, not a likely activity for a
“Bulgarian billionaire<br>
>> telecommunications oligarch”.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> McTim<br>
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An
address indicates where it is. A<br>
>> route indicates how we get there." Jon
Postel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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