No worries Michael. You raised an important point.<div><br></div><div>Warm Regards,</div><div>Sala<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:41 AM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Thanks
Sala, this looks like a good and comprehensive statement (and my apologies for
not being able, because of my own technical issues, to keep up with the
flow of discussion on this important subject.</font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">M</font></span></div></font></span><div><div class="h5">
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<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro [mailto:<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:16 AM<br><b>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> Ginger Paque;
Adam Peake<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Remote
Participation<br><br></font></div>The Statement is available via <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47</a>
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<div>Michael your concerns are factored in the Statement, see Paragraph
[4].</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Kind Regards,</div>
<div>Sala</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:18 AM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="+0"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">(Coming in late, this was
caught up in my gmail issues...</font></span></font></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="+0"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">I'ld like to strongly agree
with Ginger in this. For me Remote Participation is not a technical
issue but rather has to do with policy. A commitment to "RP"
has a lot of implications of which the technical and organizational are
only part (and even then may be the least significant). RP implies
that the processes of discussion are structured and designed -- including
their planning, set-up, execution and follow-on -- in such a way that
those who are participating remotely are equally enabled and empowered as
those who are participating f2f.</font></span></font></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="+0"><span></span></font></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="+0"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Achieving this is a huge
undertaking to my mind but one worth pursuing both at the operational
and at the policy level.</font></span></font></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="+0"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Mike</font></span></font></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="+0"><span> </span>-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ginger Paque<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:47
AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Adam
Peake<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Remote
Participation<br><br></font></font></div></div>
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<div>Adam said:<br><br>I think it's petty to complain about
technical problems with the<br>transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad
connections happen all the<br>time (and if MAG members can't work out how
to tell a group of people<br>they are having problems with a connection it
perhaps says more about<br>them than it does about the
secretariat/moderators.)<br><br>I think that this full discussion and
support for RP is very important and exciting.<br><br>I think that using
the occasion of the recent meetings as an example and illustration is a
mistake. I agree with Adam that the tech glitches during last week's
meetings should not even be addressed--these are obvious. Placing emphasis
on tech details draws attention from the more valid, and more important
principles. I know I am repeating myself, but I think they boil down to
just one:<br><br>RP must be institutionalized in meeting processes.
<br><br>The only serious problem I see with last week's meetings was the
lack of a remote moderator and clear processes. If RP -- and I mean remote
participation and remote engagement, not remote observation -- were an
automatic, standard part of meeting strategies and processes, the
inclusion of an onsite remote moderator would have been a given, as much
as the presence of the traditional chair and moderator. I dare to say that
if one of the members of the RPWG had been at the meetings, they might
have 'requested' to be 'allowed' to act as remote moderator. Remote
moderation and remote participation should not depend on collaboration of
volunteers and serendipity. Implementation of RP may always need the
collaboration of volunteers, and the RPWG exists as a volunteer
organization, seeking the privilege of collaborating, but the planning
process should originate in the IGF structure itself, not in the action of
volunteers.<br><br>If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the
Secretariat might ask the RPWG for collaboration, and issue a call for
volunteers.<br><br>If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the
Secretariat might include a RPWG (or other mechanism) liaison for
strategy, planning and process and instead of an endless series of ad hoc
situations.<br><br>If RP were institutionalized, Remote Hubs -- an
innovation of the RPWG catalysed by Marilia's energy and organization --
would become part of the IGF process, not the RPWG process, would include
remote hubs whenever appropriate and would include support for regional
IGFs.<br><br>I would prefer to see a strong, clear, short statement asking
that RP be institutionalised (maybe that is not the appropriate word) as
an integral part of the IGF meeting process.<br><br>Establishing
principles and guidelines is separate process which has been started, and
should be coordinated to take advantage of, and include the different
input. It should not be done in a hurry, in response to one frustrating
meeting. Nor should one frustrating meeting opaque the progress the IGF
has made toward inclusive RP. We should use this meeting to energize
forward progress in an orderly manner. Can we form a better strategy and
focus for productive results? I think so. I have not made comments on the
existing statement, because I would re-write it completely, with a
different approach, with points I have made above. <br><br>Is it
proper/possible for me to propose an alternate text? I do not have the
sense that there is consensus for the posts I have made previously, so I
have not done so.<br><br>Anyway, again, my 2 cents. Cheers for the energy
around remote participation!<br><br>Ginger<br><br><br><br clear="all">Ginger
(Virginia) Paque<br><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 February 2012 05:13, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Comment below:<br><br>On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM,
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br><<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> Dear All,<br>><br>> Firstly thank you Deirdre for
copying it onto word and making it much easier<br>> to incorporate
the new feedback that we received from Schombe, Jovan,<br>> Anriette,
Jeremy, Roland, Mariela etc.<br>><br>> Whilst I am copying the
text onto this email, I will also place it on the<br>> Statement
Workspace as well:<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> STATEMENT BY
THE CIVIL SOCIETY INTERNET GOVERNANCE CAUCUS ON REMOTE<br>>
PARTICIPATION<br>><br>> We would like to acknowledge the excellent
work that the Internet Governance<br>> Forum Remote Participation
Working Group have been doing over the last five<br>> years. We
appreciate the numerous hours of sacrifice and work behind the<br>>
scenes to build remote participation to what it is today. We have
seen how<br>> whilst Technology is important, that it goes hand in
hand with extraordinary<br>> levels of sacrifice and
commitment. It is this commitment that enables the<br>> spirit
of the IGF which is in sharing, dialogue, collaboration and<br>>
ultimately access.<br>><br>> We are fortunate that the Internet
Governance Forum Secretariat and UN DESA<br>> are open .and committed
to continued improvements to Remote Participation.<br>> Each year the
IGF RPWG commences its operations with training of remote<br>>
moderators many weeks ahead of the meeting, where they discuss with
remote<br>> hubs and encourage participation and liaise with the
Secretariat to make<br>> remote participation a
reality.<br>><br>> We would like to reiterate and underscore that
remote participation is a<br>> crucial part of organizing the
Internet Governance Forum (IGF) and we<br>> appreciate the effort to
provide remote participation for the Open<br>> Consultation, the
Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) meetings, and the<br>> MAG
meeting this month – February 2012 – which was opened to
observers.<br>><br>> The IGC believes that Remote Participation
(RP) should be an integral part<br>> of Internet Governance and IGF
Policy Processes. It is impossible to sustain<br>> an inclusive
global policy process without effective remote participation.<br>> We
would like to explore how we can assist in working together to
address<br>> the issues raised in 2008 by various stakeholders that
have yet to be<br>> addressed[1].<br>><br>> The MAG and
IGF Secretariats should start working with the host to ensure<br>>
that real time transcriptions are available for all sessions and not
just<br>> the Main Sessions.<br>><br><br>from the Nairobi chair's
summary document:<br><br>"The entire meeting was Webcast, with video
streaming provided from<br>the main session room and audio streaming
provided from all workshop<br>meeting rooms. All the main sessions and
workshops had real time<br>transcription. The text transcripts and video
of all meetings were<br>made available through the IGF
Website."<br><br>I think it's petty to complain about technical problems
with the<br>transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad connections happen
all the<br>time (and if MAG members can't work out how to tell a group
of people<br>they are having problems with a connection it perhaps says
more about<br>them than it does about the
secretariat/moderators.)<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Adam<br><br><br>> We
would like to commend the excellent work of the technical team
from<br>> Politecnico di Torino, (The Polytechnic University of
Turin) which was<br>> originally brought by our colleague and former
IGC Civil Society Coordinator<br>> Vittorio Bertola.<br>><br>>
However, we would like to point out some difficulties that occurred with
the<br>> system during the open MAG meeting. On the third day,
morning session, (the<br>> second day of the open MAG meeting),
remote observers were effectively<br>> excluded because they had no
access to live transcript.<br>><br>> Also MAG members trying
to participate online had difficulty in contacting<br>> moderators,
partly because the moderators were serving more than one<br>>
function.<br>><br>> We strongly urge MAG and IGF Secretariats and
ourselves to consider the<br>> following for the future IGF
organizing work and the IGF itself, and work<br>> together to bring
them about:<br>><br>> · Ensuring equal participation
between online and offline participants<br>> through planning
meetings to give online and offline participants an equal<br>>
opportunity to participate and contribute to meetings.<br>><br>>
· Ensuring that there is sufficient capacity and appropriate
bandwidth to<br>> sustain remote participation by liaising with hosts
well in advance to<br>> enable greater interactions from offline
participants.<br>><br>> · Preparing a clear
comprehensive guideline for remote participation and<br>> its
moderation and post session or meeting reporting for meeting
hosts,<br>> facilitators and chairs.<br>><br>> ·
Clearly advertising opportunities for RP in advance of all
meetings,<br>> with clear guidance for participants on the
opportunities to engage through<br>> RP that will be
available.<br>><br>> ·Always assigning exclusive remote
participation coordinator/moderators (who<br>> do not have other jobs
at the same time, and are responsible for<br>> interactions between
the meeting’s physical participants/current speaker,<br>> the Chair
and the remote participants).<br>><br>> · Establishing
a clear procedure that would encourage remote participants<br>> to
intervene. Such a system is desirable both for those physically
present<br>> in Geneva and those observing the meeting
remotely.<br>><br>> · Providing as much interactivity
as possible by giving remote<br>> participants to interact and
engage in meetings.<br>><br>> · Providing multiple
methods – video, voice and text channel, as well as<br>> real-time
transcription and video streaming – of coverage of the
meeting<br>><br>> · Enabling the meeting and remote
participation through interactive<br>> presentations access through
RP.<br>><br>> · Creating a select Task force or
Working Group created that has<br>> representatives from the
Government, Private Sector and Civil Society that<br>> is dedicated
to seeing improvements of Remote Participation and to
ensure<br>> the incorporation of critical elements that have been
highlighted to ensure<br>> improved remote participation
processes.<br>><br>> Because only limited funds are available for
face- to -face participation,<br>> this issue is crucially
important to all stakeholders from all<br>> constituencies who are
entitled to participate in the meetings, and who wish<br>> to do so
from a remote location. Meeting Chairs also play a central role
in<br>> creating a dynamic and inclusive environment that welcomes
remote<br>> participation.<br>><br>> We also encourage greater
partnership between the governments and private<br>> sector in
enhancing remote participation.<br>><br>> We have to move beyond
advocacy to listing and creating tangible outcomes to<br>> make
improved, stable and sustainable remote participation a
reality.<br>><br>> There are regions around the world where
transportation is extremely<br>> expensive and one such region is the
Pacific which has 22 countries and<br>> territories. Remote
participation was the only way that any of these<br>> countries could
access the IGF.<br>><br>> However there is room to improve
processes and create an IGF culture where<br>> remote participation
is prioritised through exploring tested methodology.<br>><br>>
The appropriate technical solutions need also to be explored as
well<br>> bandwidth and ensuring that there is uninterrupted power
supply and<br>> redundancy options where backup generators are
critical to maintain a<br>> consistent and seamless flow. The MAG and
IGF Secretariats should also<br>> ensure that there is sufficient and
dedicated bandwidth capacity to sustain<br>> the volume of traffic
from remote participation.<br>><br>> Aside from having the
appropriate technical solutions and should also<br>> include the
following:-<br>><br>>
·
Outreach.<br>><br>>
· Mapping local and
regional stakeholders;<br>><br>>
· Coordinating with
people on the ground significantly before the<br>> IGF in a series of
strategic roll out.<br>><br>>
· Creation of Guidelines
for Meeting Chairs and Moderators whilst<br>> noting the
limitations.<br>><br>>
· Identifying how the
private sector, civil society and governments<br>> can be better
involved in the remote hubs etc.<br>><br>>
· Encourage greater
collaboration between the IGF RPWG and national,<br>> sub regional
and regional IGFs.<br>><br>> We also express our support of the
IGF RPWG which published guidelines and<br>> recommendations for
remote participation and IGF 2011 WS-67 participants<br>> prepared
a draft of e-participation principles.<br>><br>>
Ends<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>
________________________________<br>><br>> [1] <a href="http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/IGF_Virtual_Community" target="_blank">http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/IGF_Virtual_Community</a><span style="MIN-HEIGHT:16px;WIDTH:16px;PADDING-RIGHT:16px"></span><span style="MIN-HEIGHT:16px;WIDTH:16px;PADDING-RIGHT:16px"></span><br>
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Deirdre Williams<br>> <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>> Dear Sala,<br>>> I have been
unavoidably out of contact all day, and am just catching up<br>>>
with reading the messages.<br>>> I am not clear which document you
want me to send.<br>>> I have attached a word copy of my response
yesterday, although from<br>>> reading the discussion that has
perhaps been superseded during the<br>>> discussions
today?<br>>> Please let me know as I would be delighted to
help.<br>>> De<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 22 February
2012 14:15, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>>> <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Dear
Deirdre,<br>>>><br>>>> As you know our initial
statement was used by the civil society component<br>>>> of the
CSTDWG as advised by Marilia.<br>>>><br>>>> If you
could please send it in a word document that would be
super<br>>>> helpful and easy to put up on the Statement
Workspace. We will also be<br>>>> sending our Statement to the
IGF Secretariat.<br>>>><br>>>> Kind
Regards,<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
--<br>>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka
Sala<br>>>><br>>>> Tweeter:
@SalanietaT<br>>>>
Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>>>> Cell: <a href="tel:%2B679%20998%202851" value="+6799982851" target="_blank">+679
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2851</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>
--<br>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
knowledge" Sir William<br>>> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics,
1979<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Salanieta
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