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face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=523123513-01032012><FONT color=#0000ff
face=Arial>Tim,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012>(Sorry that this got caught up in my recent
e-travails...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012>My comments were to try to put the IGF's interest in
RP into some broader context (which is where it should be seen
IMHO...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial>You queried specifically my comments on "writings on RP"... I
wasn't thinking specifically in the area of Community Informatics
although there is a large research literature</FONT> <FONT
color=#0000ff face=Arial>on participating in virtual communities/processes
(the current Videocom project here in Canada being one) ... Rather I was
pointing to the research on remote conferencing (focusing specifically on
videoconferencing in the MIS and IS literatures going back dare I say it, some
30 years now including some very early attempts by the UN and others to
include formal videoconferencing processes as part of their on-going
operations.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012>If one includes things like technical and
social/organizational research on remote work/virtual engagement there is
a huge literature in the area and a very strong linkage into various kinds of
technical/commercial developments to support the virtualization of work and
remote practice/participation.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012>There really is no reason to repeat mistakes, not use
low cost state of the art technologies (including social/management
practices), build on previous experiences, and provide various of the
commercial players in this sphere (and all the majors and no end of start-ups
are involved) in a high profile, reasonably controlled environment for doing
their beta implementations... To do this all that is really needed I would
expect, is a relatively small amount of professional time from someone (they
even exist in the UN system and certainly within every national bureaucracy)
who actually knows something about RP beyond the attempts to re-create
something that has been around for decades (in one form or another) on an ad
hoc, semi-emergency, resourceless basis, every
year.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012>(Among the things that can be learned from
even a very casual acquaintance with the research literature and experience
from the broad field of current practice are the opportunities and
particularly the limitations on "remote participation" and that is where
I think our discussions particularly concerning RP policy should
begin. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012>Derrick Cogburn from the U. of Syracuse seems no
longer to be part of these discussions but he has been working on this area as
his main research interest (including launching this stuff within WSIS/IGF)
for years and re-engaging with him and some of his grad students would
probably be a worthwhile exercise.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012>M</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=523123513-01032012> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> tim.g.davies@gmail.com
[mailto:tim.g.davies@gmail.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim Davies<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:46 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Roland Perry<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[governance] Remote Participation<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>Hey all,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>A few thoughts:</DIV>
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<DIV>- Michael: you've mentioned various CI writings on RP. Is there a good
resource list on experiences of RP anywhere? Would putting together a small
collection of resources and papers also be useful for advocacy for better RP
platforms and processes?</DIV>
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<DIV>All the best</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Tim</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Roland Perry <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com">roland@internetpolicyagency.com</A>></SPAN>
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at 06:35:00 on Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Ginger Paque <<A
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class=gmail_quote>Why have we, as civil society and the IGC, been so
ineffective at<BR>developing and achieving implementation of inclusion and
effective<BR>remote participation? After several years, why is RP not now
an<BR>integral part of all IG and IGF policy
processes?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>For the inter-sessional planning
meetings, because they are still primarily institutionalised into the Geneva
landscape (which for Europeans is at least better than having to go through
the same exercise in New York).<BR><BR>The only way this can be broken is
for such meetings (and indeed similar non-UN meetings, this is not a
criticism aimed particularly at DESA) to grind to a halt whenever there's a
glitch in the remote participation, and not continue until the remote
participation has been fixed.<BR><BR>Of course, that results in an extreme
waste of the resources of the people who *have* managed to get the funds to
travel to the venue, so it's not an easy decision.<BR><BR>But until such a
rule is applied, then remote participants will always have an inherent
second class status, and not just because of the greater difficulty of
following and contributing to a meeting from 5,000 miles and 12hrs timezone
away.<BR><BR>The problem is that the world is largely organised around the
idea of representative democracy, and this assume your representatives are
able to get to the meetings.<BR><BR>I've also got something to say about
substitutes, for example in the MAG. I'm not sure it's very common for
elected representatives to send substitutes to national Parliaments etc, or
in the private sector to appoint a proxy who isn't already invited to the
meeting.<BR><BR>But in both cases it's entirely possible to arrange for an
assistant to follow all the proceedings on mailing lists, and to brief the
representative so that the latter's work is restricted to not much more than
actually attending the physical meetings.<SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT
color=#888888><BR>-- <BR>Roland
Perry<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You
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