While taking Adam's point about consolidation, I also remember someone (sorry can't remember who) complaining about how, IN PART, the IGF ends up being the same old discussion on the same old topics year after year.<div>
Particularly considering the de facto importance of human rights this year is it possible to change the framing to offer some different perspectives?</div><div>For example:</div><div>1. Apart from the strictly technical discussions (and even there sometimes) the focus is on the human. So how do we extend the technology network to embrace other groups working towards the same goals but not using, or at least not emphasising, the technology? I propose that ideally there should be policy harmony among all of the groups working towards the same objectives. Do the people who use the Internet as a means have any suggestions?</div>
<div>2. I am concerned about 'the youth' because they're a moving target. To create a universal definition for 'a child' is a major obstacle in harmonising policy and legislation. How much more so 'a youth'? When do they become adults? What happens to them when they do? Do they recognise the change themselves? Is the fact that 'youth' is a shared experience of all of us something that can be reconfigured to provide a benefit for the 'new youth' as they come along?</div>
<div>3. Can we please also include the elderly? The Internet offers them benefits and problems as well. Imran joked about the 80+ and the need to consider 'internet innocents'. I agree with him. They should be included. They are a very large but rather marginalised stakeholder group.</div>
<div>Deirdre</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 February 2012 05:56, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Why suggest adding a topic "kids" and "internet for women" when<br>
there's already topics on the list fpr women and youth? (Youth has<br>
always been a catch-all for young people of all young ages.) The main<br>
task ahead, read Sala's email, is "consolidate the list of topics<br>
under the theme". There's also a topic for spectrum.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Adam<br>
</font></span><div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Tim Davies<br>
<<a href="mailto:tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk" target="_blank">tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hello Imran,<br>
><br>
> The sub-themes you mention below make the case well for a separate 'Internet<br>
> for Kids' theme.<br>
><br>
> Can you say something more about the sub-theme "Debates for Provisioning of<br>
> Kids Internet Governance" - as this sounds interesting to explore, but I'm<br>
> not quite sure I understand exactly what it might cover/what angle it might<br>
> take...<br>
><br>
> All the best<br>
><br>
> Tim<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Tim, for your comments, I agree with the sub-questions.<br>
>><br>
>> However, what do you think if the we keep the main Title of "Internet for<br>
>> Kids" as a seperate theme and yes, theme # 11, Child Protection will be<br>
>> covered under this main theme.<br>
>><br>
>> If you speak regarding the age as you mentioned "from 0 to 30+", I think<br>
>> it is not necessary to mention the age, otherwise, it could be upto 80+<br>
>> Kids.<br>
>> Sub-Questions may include:<br>
>> - Clean Contents Development Awareness Compaign for the Kids Internet.<br>
>> - Debates for Provisioning of Kids Internet Governance, (that is<br>
>> beyond the Contents Filtering for Kids)<br>
>> - Vote for the Provisioning of dot-Kids (gTLD with IDN translations)<br>
>> - Compaign for Free Access to Kids Internet for Next Generation.<br>
>><br>
>> . Russia's dot-РФ registry has announced plans to apply for the top level<br>
>> domain dot-kids<br>
>> . In the 107th Congress, legislation sought to create a "kids-friendly top<br>
>> level domain name" that would contain only age-appropriate content. The Dot<br>
>> Kids Implementation and Efficiency Act of 2002 was signed into law on<br>
>> December 4, 2002 (P.L. 107-317) and authorizes the National<br>
>> Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) to require the .us<br>
>> registry operator (currently NeuStar) to establish, operate, and maintain a<br>
>> second level domain within the .us TLD that is restricted to material<br>
>> suitable for minors.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>> Imran Ahmed Shah<br>
>> From: Tim Davies <<a href="mailto:tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk" target="_blank">tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 2:28<br>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Access and Diversity [IGF 2012 - MAG<br>
>> Consultations]<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello Imran,<br>
>><br>
>> These are good suggestions. On your suggested (20), Internet for Kids, one<br>
>> of the ways I've tried to encourage addressing this in the past is<br>
>> encouraging talk of 'Children, young people, and young adults' in place of<br>
>> the term 'youth' which tends to get widely used to cover a blanket group<br>
>> from 0 to 30+.<br>
>><br>
>> What would you think about advocating for a reshaping of theme<br>
>> (8) INTERNET IMPACT ON YOUTH into something like:<br>
>><br>
>> 'IMPACTS OF THE INTERNET ON YOUTH: CHILDREN, YOUNG PEOPLE and YOUNG<br>
>> ADULTS, AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE INTERNET'<br>
>><br>
>> with sub-questions such as:<br>
>><br>
>> - How are 'youth' affected by Internet Governance decisions?<br>
>><br>
>> - How are 'youth' shaping the Internet? How can opportunities for youth to<br>
>> contribute positively to the development of the Internet be encouraged?<br>
>><br>
>> - What are the differences in how Internet Governance should address<br>
>> issues for children, young people and young adults?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> All the best<br>
>><br>
>> Tim<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for your invitation.<br>
>> I would suggest some following topics to be included:<br>
>><br>
>> 17. Maximum utilization of open/free Band Frequency spectrum i.e. "ISM<br>
>> Band"<br>
>> 18. Information Sharing Sensitivity Awareness.<br>
>> 19. Internet for Women<br>
>> 20. Internet for Kids<br>
>> 21. Public Awareness for Contents Development/ Conversion into Local<br>
>> language.<br>
>> 22. Privacy on Social Networking and Mobile Internet<br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>> Imran Ahmed Shah<br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:43 AM PKT Salanieta<br>
>> T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:>Dear All,>>The theme for IGF 2012 is Internet<br>
>> Governance for Sustainable Human,>Economic and Social Development. The MAG<br>
>> has various groups dealing with>the following:->> - consolidate the list<br>
>> of topics under the theme> - come up with a coherent description of the<br>
>> theme> - come up with a main question and sub questions for the theme><br>
>> (following the way it was organised in 2011)>>We would encourage anyone<br>
>> interested in putting forward views on Access and>Diversity by responding to<br>
>> this thread. We would like to ensure that this>opportunity for consultation<br>
>> is actively addressed by the list. We will try>to wrap this up by the 24th<br>
>> February, 2012 and people can volunteer to work>on consolidating the same by<br>
>> the 24th February, 2012 so it can be put to>the entire list for a 48 hour<br>
>> period before we ask our current MAG>representatives to take this<br>
>> forward.>>Current list of topics that are being discussed by the MAG are<br>
>> as follows:->>>1) ACCESS TO FREE FLOW OF INFORMATION AND [FREEDOM OF<br>
>> EXPRESSION] [HUMAN>RIGHTS ]>>2) [HUMAN RIGHTS], [FILTERING], [CONTROLLING<br>
>> / REGULATORY ISSUES]>>3) MULTILINGUALISM>>4) WOMEN EMPOWERMENT>>5)<br>
>> LEGAL POLICY AND REGULATORY>>6) [PARTICIPATION AND INCLUSION] PERSONS<br>
>> WITH DISABILITIES>>7) OPEN DATA AND RELATED POLICIES>>8) INTERNET<br>
>> IMPACT ON YOUTH>>9) YOUTH PARTICIPATION IN INTERNET GOVERNANCE>>10)<br>
>> HYPERCONECTIVITY AND INDIVIDUALS>>11) [HOW TO HANDLE THE DIVERSITY OF<br>
>> NATIONAL LEGAL FRAMEWORK]>>12) HOW CAN WE DELIVER ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC<br>
>> DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES?>>13) [FRAMEWORKS AND PRINCIPLES]>>14) [PUBLIC KEY<br>
>> INFRASTRUCTURE – PKI]>>15) [INSTITUTIONAL COOPERATION ON ELIMINATION OF THE<br>
>> DIGITAL GAP BETWEEN>NEIGHBORHOOD COUNTRIES]>>16) [INNOVATION IN SPECTRUM<br>
>> TECHNOLOGY – IMPLICATIONS FOR ACCESS]>>>-- >Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka<br>
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