<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Avri, my point of view was slightly different.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">".. This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC."</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Let me explain:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">For example as I remember, in your case, you submitted your complaint two times regarding the requirement of the modification of Charter due to conflict of opinions. First time, indicated the requirement o<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>f the provisioning of voting "Non-of-Above" in the ballot. At that time, the voting member I agreed with your point of view and may be many other members also agree but there was no such mechanism to ask them that who agree with this point of view and if a strength of 10 members agree, pick your hands to volunteer for the voting and drafting the required amendment. Jeremy did like this but I do not remember that I see any request from you on the list.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">So, I want to say that if any member feels that there is requirement of the amendment, the coordinators (and/or other members) may either convince to objector or organize his objection and its proposed remedy through debate/discussion on the list or to initiate the call to arrange the members with same “co-cos for that matter”. If minimum 10 members joins, yes, they can prepare a proper format of Objection, Proposed Modification and return the document for the initiation of a Voting to gain 2/3 majority approval.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">This is again necessary because on the single list, (I believe) all of the mailing list members and/or voting members are a single group of volunteers and non-of-us have their own small grouping to discuss and plan common list matters, off the list before posting on the list. So, it is not possible to bring the likeminded individuals (for a matter/ problem you have) by discussing off the list. There should be a proper ethical way of proposing conflicts or opinion and organizing, gathering or assembling group of likeminded/ concurring individuals to rephrase the charter and/or amendments.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">So, I just requesting for the arrangement to organize this process.</SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"> And I hope that reading the above justification, you will agree with me.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Avri Doria <avri@acm.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> IGC <governance@lists.igcaucus.org> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 20 February 2012, 18:30<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [governance] Amending the charter was Re: [] Survey ….<BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>On 20 Feb 2012, at 02:12, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:<BR><BR>> Thinking from a different angle, if someone has 10 members, he can make any of the positive or negative changes in the IGC Charter. <BR><BR>All they can do is get a ballot
established on the issue. The change must still be approved by 2/3 of the qualified members - those who voted in the last election (though we still have a questions about what it means to have voted)<BR><BR>> Rather than it should be responsibility of the coordinators to encourage list / voting members to participate in the charter modification process to make the procedures in a better form. So, my recommendations are as follows:<BR>> <BR><BR>I disagree with this point.<BR><BR>I think it is up to the proponents of a change to drum up support for their change. I think they can do this on the open list. I would also note that this is how it was done when the qualified caucus amended the charter in the past and it worked quite well.<BR><BR>Of course if you want to amend the charter to require action by the co-cos as stated in your note, then that is something that you and 9 others who agree with you can have put to a vote by the
qualified members.<BR><BR>In Sela's reply there seemed to be an implication (forgive me if I misunderstood, it is what i inferred) that it was up to Jeremy's WG to review all amendments. I do not think this is the case. Any 10 people can submit amendments anytime - they do not need to be processed first by any group or by the co-cos for that matter. There is certainly no problem with Jeremy and a group of likeminded individuals getting together to propose amendments, it is just that the Charter does not give special status to a WG and its requests. It is, for all intents and purposes the same as any self-selected group of 10 or more members who might decided to put a proposal for charter amendment. For example, while I disagree with Imran's suggestions, he could find 9 other qualified members who agreed with him through on /off list discussions and put forward an amendment proposal that the co-cos would have to put to a
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