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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi All<br>
<br>
We have reached a rather unacceptable, and I should say, shameful,
situation vis a vis civil society participaiton in MAG whereby it is
now a regular thing that CS participation is not funded. Such
multistakeholderism (MSism) should be rejected out of hand. It fuels
and justifies the doubts expressed by those who think that MSism of IG
is just a ploy to get more seats on the table for the already powerful.
</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">CS cannot be
represented just by people who can spend their own resources or live in
nearby places of the North. </font><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">We as CS must call this bluff,
even if we lose some prized positions. We can then at least fight from
the outside, as CS has often/ largely done till we get an honourable
and acceptable arrangement to (also) participate from the inside. <br>
<br>
I think we should just tell them, either fund CS participation at least
in the core committees etc of the IGF (which is generally done for all
the UN system) or we are not interested to lend 'them' the credibility
of CS participation in the system. <br>
<br>
On a connected note, it bothers me a lot that inside the WG on
Improvements to the IGF, not many of us are too keen to push for
ensuring a regular UN budget for the IGF/ MAG etc. (Those old ghostly
notions of UN will take over the IGF, as if corporate and other
partisan interested party funds controlling it is better!) It also
bothers me that this issue, and in fact, in general, issues of IGF
improvements seem not to bother many of us enough to bring on a
spirited discussion, and putting up strong clear positions that defend
the interests of the marginalised, whom we should most centrally be
representing<br>
<br>
If this is multistakeholderism, then its critics are right, I think - a
cover for greater corporate presence in political spaces....<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
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On Friday 10 February 2012 06:58 AM, YJ Park wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAL+jFxsE-TZNgEbWdpq+whcStEaKVR=5yrxuR_rxDfe_gzBf5A@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Bill,<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, William
Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"
class="gmail_quote">Hi YJ<br>
<br>
Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend.<br>
<br>
Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people who
could stand in for the absent members at this point. Wouldn't it be
better for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM a letter
expressing concern about CS' underrepresentation and asking that
remedial action be allowed, options x and y?<br>
</blockquote>
<div>It is worth noticing many CS folks would not be able to attend
the MAG meeting with many reasons. If our IGC coordintors have enough
resources to address this issue with more institutional basis to IGF
secretariat, I believe it would serve us better. Thank you for your
suggestion! </div>
<blockquote
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"
class="gmail_quote">
<p><br>
As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all
women, BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic
diversity than letting those who'll be here participate under whatever
rubric.<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"
class="gmail_quote">BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation
should apply to each stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG
as a whole.<br>
</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div>I was not aware that the principle of gender/geographical
diversity was applied to MAG as a whole not to each stakeholder. As
pointed out here, I support your proposal that such principle should
be widely implemented to each stakeholder group's MAG selection process
as well.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>YJ </div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"
class="gmail_quote"><br>
Best<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br>
On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi Bill and all,<br>
><br>
> Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil
society<br>
> in this process.<br>
> I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the<br>
> significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey.<br>
> However, I cannot...<br>
><br>
> It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate<br>
> "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As<br>
> addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical<br>
> diversity/gender issues.<br>
><br>
> Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my
difficulty<br>
> with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to delegate
my<br>
> MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted.<br>
><br>
> If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible<br>
> manner, it would be appreciated.<br>
><br>
> My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting.<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance,<br>
> YJ<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2/9/12, William Drake <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will
have written<br>
>> to the MAG list.<br>
>><br>
>> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet<br>
>><br>
>> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the
host, the Vice<br>
>> Minister from Azerbaijan<br>
>><br>
>> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this
meeting per<br>
>> Sha's letter.<br>
>><br>
>> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November<br>
>><br>
>> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil
society would be<br>
>><br>
>> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai<br>
>> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad<br>
>> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria<br>
>> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette<br>
>> Ms. Park, Y. J.<br>
>> Ms. Primo, Natasha<br>
>> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza<br>
>> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF
site. It's a<br>
>> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It
would be<br>
>> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on
the<br>
>> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be
sensible to<br>
>> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than
sitting<br>
>> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to
be able to<br>
>> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Bill<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Avri:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from
Azerbaijan. Or<br>
>>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while
all remains in<br>
>>> flux.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Wolfgang:<br>
>>><br>
>>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other
question is: Will Sha<br>
>>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the
hands of the next<br>
>>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs.
His terms ends in<br>
>>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His
relationship<br>
>>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after
BKM was reelected<br>
>>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What
does it mean? Be<br>
>>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which
is not so bad<br>
>>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process)
and it will<br>
>>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) .<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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