<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Anriette,</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I totally agree with you. This was one of the points that Carlos Affonso and I raised on the paper we wrote to APC about challenges for CS participation. We did some research about why tech and academic were grouped together, but I would love to hear the background story from Bill ;)</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Anyway, the important thing is that we propose it and the representatives of the technical & academic community in the WG did agree that it would be the bast way to go.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I searched Peter's older document and the proposal is there: "Stakeholder groups should strive for geographic diversity, gender balance, and developing </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">country representation. Stakeholder groups should also strive to reflect their internal diversity </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">separating technical community and academic community", so I just probably missed the last part of the sentence when I pasted it.</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:11.0px 'Times New Roman'"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Marília</font></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:11.0px 'Times New Roman'"><br></p><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Marilia<br>
<br>
Thanks for posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that we<br>
had made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft<br>
text, is that we increase civil society representation through treating<br>
the technical community and the academic community as two distinct<br>
stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives.<br>
<br>
Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and<br>
academic' category developed...<br>
<br>
But my concern is that currently civil society is having to share our<br>
'places' between civil society organisations and individual civil<br>
society activists from the academic community. I am not at all unhappy<br>
about us doing this as many people who are academics are also active in<br>
civil society, and they add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder<br>
processes... but I think we need and deserve to have both groups<br>
represented separately. Currently civil society is under-represented in<br>
the MAG and I believe it is essential to change this.<br>
<br>
If the academic community is treated as a category in its own right we<br>
would then have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups<br>
represented in the MAG:<br>
<br>
Civil society (drawing from people in organised civil society)<br>
Academic community<br>
Technical community<br>
Business<br>
<br>
This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in my view.<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/02/12 14:42, Marilia Maciel wrote:<br>
> Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to NomCom for<br>
> performing this important task and thanks in advance for the report they<br>
> are producing.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG on IGF<br>
> improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members and the<br>
> role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a<br>
> strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be<br>
> invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the<br>
> suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is to say<br>
> that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a<br>
> crucial moment.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> It is very important that they are supported by the community and that<br>
> they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The selection<br>
> process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important<br>
> cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that<br>
> the parameters for selection need to be made clear.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and also<br>
> some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a<br>
> compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not<br>
> only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these<br>
> topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we would<br>
> be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am<br>
> sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be<br>
> great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG about it.<br>
> The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as<br>
> "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals.<br>
><br>
> Marília<br>
><br>
</div></div>> *<br>
> *<br>
><br>
> *B.II – MAG*<br>
><br>
> *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG<br>
> meetings transparent *<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings*<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its proceedings<br>
> available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim record is<br>
> available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for future<br>
> meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its work.<br>
><br>
> - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, should<br>
> be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in order to<br>
> provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure fair<br>
> representation<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
</div>> *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a<br>
> transparent and documented fashion *<br>
><br>
> *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each<br>
> stakeholder group*<br>
<div><div class="h5">><br>
> - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their<br>
> selection process and should identify the process that works best for<br>
> their own culture and methods of engagement<br>
><br>
> - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be mediated<br>
> through any one particular body.<br>
><br>
> - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the<br>
> three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are<br>
> encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to<br>
> provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to<br>
> ensure appropriate gender balance<br>
><br>
> - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November:<br>
><br>
> - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate<br>
> geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried<br>
> out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps<br>
> including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted group<br>
> would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder groups.<br>
><br>
> The recommendation would then be submitted to the Secretary-General for<br>
> approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be<br>
> submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF website.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the<br>
> NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid<br>
> confusion with existing systems in other organizations.<br>
><br>
> - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair,<br>
> should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the<br>
> different regions and constituencies.<br>
><br>
> Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with<br>
> wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of<br>
> program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups.<br>
><br>
> This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring<br>
> balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the<br>
> wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates should be<br>
> submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval.<br>
><br>
> Open and transparent selection process and working process<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div>> *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. *<br>
<div><div class="h5">><br>
><br>
><br>
> Requirements for MAG members:<br>
><br>
> Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or<br>
> constituencies’ interest and not private interests.<br>
><br>
> Selected members should present:<br>
><br>
> - Proven ability to work as a team member<br>
><br>
> - Active participation in the IGF process<br>
><br>
> - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if<br>
> possible, to other stakeholder groups<br>
><br>
> - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Responsibilities of MAG members:<br>
><br>
> - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly<br>
> global meeting;<br>
><br>
> - Participate in inter-sessional work;<br>
><br>
> - Make outreach to wider community, including national and regional IGF<br>
> type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG;<br>
><br>
> - Bring in comments from the community;<br>
><br>
> - Explain recommendations to the community.<br>
><br>
> - Willingness to commit to work and follow through<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole:<br>
><br>
> - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations,<br>
> performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members that do<br>
> not participate)<br>
><br>
> - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of issues<br>
> of concern;<br>
><br>
> - Selecting workshops and other meetings;<br>
><br>
> - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings;<br>
><br>
> - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in dedicated<br>
> thematic working groups;<br>
><br>
> - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions;<br>
><br>
> - Facilitating the organization of workshops;<br>
><br>
> - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and speakers<br>
> at the annual meeting;<br>
><br>
> - Liaising with their respective communities;<br>
><br>
> -Publishing reports.<br>
><br>
> - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with<br>
> secretariat<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Miscellaneous:<br>
><br>
> - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee.<br>
><br>
> - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF and in<br>
> the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF<br>
> improvements.<br>
><br>
> - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and<br>
> responsibilities<br>
><br>
> - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being just a<br>
> single event but rather having evolved into a process.<br>
><br>
> - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient.<br>
><br>
> - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and<br>
> listener of what happens in consultations, important input into the process<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a><br>
</div></div><div><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Parminder and all<br>
><br>
> On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote:<br>
> > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list.<br>
><br>
> Yes.. congrats to all.<br>
> ><br>
> > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and<br>
> > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions<br>
> below.<br>
><br>
> Yes, so do I.<br>
><br>
> > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes<br>
> > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe<br>
> > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the<br>
> kind of<br>
> > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach<br>
> effort<br>
> > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things<br>
> like:<br>
> > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to<br>
> > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the<br>
> > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS<br>
> > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all<br>
> > developments, ......<br>
> ><br>
> > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the<br>
> > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their<br>
> nominees<br>
> > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the<br>
> > past).<br>
><br>
> Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC nomcom as<br>
> we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not sure that<br>
> the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any<br>
> acknowledgement.<br>
><br>
> One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we are happy<br>
> to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG'<br>
> member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for<br>
> development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make<br>
> the MAG.<br>
><br>
> The other people on our list were (as Bill posted).<br>
><br>
> Carlos Afonso (Brazil)<br>
> Magaly Pazello (Brazil)<br>
> Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan)<br>
> Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa)<br>
> David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD)<br>
><br>
> We will send these directly to the secretariat as well.<br>
><br>
> Anriette<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the<br>
> > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the<br>
> > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live and<br>
> > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At<br>
> times,<br>
> > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the<br>
> single<br>
> > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to<br>
> live up<br>
> > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am<br>
> really not<br>
> > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected.<br>
> ><br>
> > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have<br>
> been<br>
> > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort,<br>
> broad<br>
> > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to<br>
> > practise what we preach.<br>
> ><br>
> > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning<br>
> and use<br>
> > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format<br>
> > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information<br>
> > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees?<br>
> ><br>
> > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later...<br>
> > parminder<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
> >> Hi,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Good names all.<br>
> >><br>
> >> But,<br>
> >><br>
> >> What process was used?<br>
> >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that?<br>
> >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they<br>
> posted on the web site anywhere?<br>
> >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC<br>
> expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere?<br>
> >><br>
> >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in<br>
> detail. Did I miss that?<br>
> >><br>
> >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best<br>
> >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection<br>
> risks that even further.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> avri<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>> Dear All,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom<br>
> are as follows:<br>
> >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda<br>
> >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan<br>
> >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada<br>
> >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain)<br>
> >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva)<br>
> >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina<br>
> >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their<br>
> information in via the required template would mean that their<br>
> names would not be sent.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Kind Regards<br>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
> <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>><br>
</div></div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a><br>
<div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >>> Dear All,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that<br>
> they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the<br>
> information in the required format and an email was sent out to the<br>
> potential candidates to submit their information in the template<br>
> shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that<br>
> failing to have the information submitted in required format could<br>
> mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given<br>
> 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> --<br>
> >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT<br>
> >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
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<div class="im">> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> --<br>
> >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT<br>
> >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
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> >>><br>
> >>><br>
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