<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:50 AM, McTim wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 12/15/11, Paul Lehto <<a href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com">lehto.paul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In the traditional IG processes that have served us well for many<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">decades the "special interest has been overwhelmingly the development<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of the network.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">[snip]<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">There is far less rent-seeking in IG processes than in our current<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">governmental processes.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">[snip]<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#710000"><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But now we are into later phases in most places (not in infancy) and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">special interest politics will increasingly rear its ugly head.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But in any case, your presumption of harmony with special interests up to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this point is highly exaggerated, unless you've been somewhat sleeping<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">through all the debates and controversies about internet governance these<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">last years.<br></blockquote><br><br>Here is case that describes what I was talking about.<br><br>People act in the best interests of the Net, despite it being against<br>their "special interests":<br><br><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/04411817008/paul-vixie-sopapipa-would-be-good-my-business-im-still-against-it.shtml">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/04411817008/paul-vixie-sopapipa-would-be-good-my-business-im-still-against-it.shtml</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, both of you are correct in your statements. You just look it up from different perspective.</div><div><br></div><div>I have seen enough of rent-seeking from "prominent" Internet "experts" (rather, self-proclaimed, but who except those who have watched them very closely could even imagine that??? :)). These people typically follow their own agenda, in which "the Internet" is just a tool they use for .. whatever gains.</div><div><br></div><div>Yet, there is the other type of people, like those that McTim refers to, who often make decisions contrary to their "special interests" (by the way, it is mostly US concept that you need to make money at any cost). Those people built the Internet. Those people kept, keep today and will continue to keep it all together in the future.</div><div>These people are unique in a way, because they are not only very deep into technology, capable of inventing things and code their ideas in software, but they also are social enough, can see "trough the peoples image deep in their soul" and therefore are very, very hard to be confused to deluded by some con artist.</div><div><br></div><div>These people are not very many, but they don't need to be. They have their very special interests --- the Internet.</div><div>They will use any tools available to see their special interests are met. And, they have been successful for these 20++ years, because they to posses unique qualities.</div><div><br></div><div>As I commented in earlier threads, none of these people work for Governments. Or if they do, it is on a contractual basis, as isolated as possible. This is, I believe because this kind of people do not tolerate politics.</div><div>Politics to not be confused with policy.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div></body></html>