Jovan and Norbert,<div>Norbert first - of course I agree with you. How can you add to 'the total of human knowledge' if you are apparently incapable of making a distinction between what you have thought and written and what somebody else has thought and written?</div>
<div>Jovan - I read the 2007 discussion with interest. I wonder whether in fact it's 85% of students or 85% of work submitted - but then I never was much good at statistics. </div><div>I thought perhaps that I was forcing an irrelevant digression from what this list is about, but no, although I have changed the subject line to make the point clearer.</div>
<div>Our world, virtual and physical, places great store on property and on ownership. Our societies disapprove of and punish those who don't respect what is implied by 'ownership' - the thieves. The production of intellectual property is really HARD work; surely our sympathies lie with the creator rather than with the person who stole and claimed ownership. Ownership is not about money. It admits sharing. In fact the person whose work was plagiarised was expressing 'willingness to share' by the act of publication. He or she displayed trust and asked for honesty.</div>
<div>Jovan sent me off on a nostalgia trip to a rhyme I had learned as a child:</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);font-size:medium">"When gorse is out of blossom,"</span><br style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:Arial;text-align:-webkit-center;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);font-size:medium">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:Arial;text-align:-webkit-center;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);font-size:medium">(Its prickles bare of gold)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:Arial;text-align:-webkit-center;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);font-size:medium">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:Arial;text-align:-webkit-center;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);font-size:medium">"Then kissing's out of fashion,"</span><br style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:Arial;text-align:-webkit-center;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);font-size:medium">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:Arial;text-align:-webkit-center;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);font-size:medium">Said country-folk of old.</span></div><div><div style="text-align:left">
<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Thank you </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:Arial">CM Barker, and </span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Google for knowing about it as well. What does our discussion have to do with gorse (or kissing)? Well the point is that gorse always has blossoms, and kissing's always in fashion. So is honesty. Honesty is the social </font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helmet, Freesans, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height:16px">Higgs boson that holds everything together. Without at least some honesty I believe that societies would crumble and fail. Plagiarism is a fancy name for lack of honesty, as it is also a fancy name for theft. If we change the rules to allow plagiarism it seems to me that we condone theft and encourage dishonesty and end up having to redesign our society completely. And the way I see it we have very little, if anything, to gain from the change.</span></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helmet, Freesans, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height:16px">Deirdre</span></font></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 December 2011 13:02, Jovan Kurbalija <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jovank@diplomacy.edu" target="_blank">jovank@diplomacy.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Deirdre,<br>
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You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered
by the news that 85% of university students in the United States are
involved in some sort of plagiarism. Can 85% of students be wrong?
Should we invest in a better anti plagiarism software or start
considering a new educational paradigm? Like with many other policy
issues, there is a mix of causes and effects. Here is the link to
the discussion from 2007 which is still valid today:
<a href="http://wp.me/p81We-m" target="_blank">http://wp.me/p81We-m</a><br>
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Regards, Jovan <br><div><div>
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On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">This discussion interests me for a slightly different
reason.
<div>I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm
about plagiarism isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems
to be doing. Privacy is still important but the things
considered "private" seem to have changed. With the issue of
plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from the
existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, once published,
information is "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo
ning I was assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if you
borrow someone else's intellectual property you must acknowledge
where/who it came from.</div>
<div>But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not
as wicked as it used to be?</div>
<div>Deirdre<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert
Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span>
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<div>> Given that the general reaction to this
appointment could not have come as a<br>
> surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to
ask why it was made.<br>
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Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons
(when the<br>
question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was
chosen<br>
instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a
well-qualified<br>
and suitable person to fill this role:<br>
<br>
According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental
Rights [1],<br>
which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part
of the<br>
Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which
includes<br>
in particular "the obligation of the administration to give
reasons<br>
for its decisions".<br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/" target="_blank">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/</a><br>
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Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
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