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Dear Jean-Louis, <br>
<br>
I agree with you, but Guttenberg's appointment by EU Commissioner
Kroes might not have been quite so bad after all: Both he and the
dictators he's supposed to interact with are experienced with angry
crowds of online activists publishing information online that they'd
rather not have the world see (plagiarism in his thesis vs. human
rights violations in their countries). If he convinces dictators to
act the same way he did - lie a bit, if they must, but then accept
the inevitable and go peacefully - he might actually not have been
such a bit choice after all. (I've blogged about this at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com">http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com</a>).<br>
<br>
But what we should ask ourselves is why our contacts at the EU
haven't raised the alarm. A personnel choice at this level takes
months of planning. <br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
<br>
Matthias <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 13.12.2011 00:12, schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK:
<blockquote
cite="mid:12265726.136140.1323731521791.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h22"
type="cite">Dear members of the list<br>
<br>
<br>
Please find below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes,
theEuropean Commissioner on Information Society, but I failed
since her mail is protected and her newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.<br>
<br>
It is about a German ex-Minister of Defence who was obliged to
resign eight months ago after having frauded his doctoral thesis
(i.a. by copying large textings of other authors) and lied in his
"explanations". <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Newsletter of the Information Society in Europe (the European
Commission on Information Society official publication)<br>
<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-size: 5pt"></span><span>PRESS
RELEASE</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily"
target="_blank"><span>Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by
Kroes to promote internet freedom globally</span></a></p>
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target="_blank"><span></span></a><span></span><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-size: 5pt"></span><span
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<p><font size="1"><em>(12 December 2011)</em> European
Commission Vice-President Neelie Kroes has invited
Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a former Federal Minister of
Defence, and of Economics and Technology, in Germany, to
advise on how to provide ongoing support to Internet
users, bloggers and cyber-activists living under
authoritarian regimes. This appointment forms a key
element of a new "No Disconnect Strategy" to uphold the
EU's commitment to ensure human rights and fundamental
freedoms are respected both online and off-line, and that
internet and other information and communication
technology (ICT) can remain a driver of political freedom,
democratic development and economic growth.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt">The "promotion" of this
notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the Commission and
their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".</span><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-size: 5pt"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt">Of course, he is a
proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and paste" :-))</span><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-size: 5pt"></span></p>
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'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-size: 5pt"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt">Obviously he isn't an
icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic regimes, nor for
the Internet.</span></p>
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'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt"> </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt">Jean-Louis Fullsack <br>
Director of French NGO CSDPTT</span><span style="font-family:
'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-size: 5pt"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt">Accredited civil
society delegate to the World Summit on Information Society
(WSIS)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt">Member of the UNESCO
Chair, University of Srrasbourg </span><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-size: 5pt"><br>
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style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt"></span>Message
du 12/12/11 17:43<br>
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5px; margin-left: 5px">> De : "parminder" <br>
> A : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
> Copie à : <br>
> Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
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<pre>On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote: </pre>
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<pre>We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the global Internet. </pre>
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<pre>You already have them. With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up their own DNS roots,</pre>
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> Karl, <br>
> <br>
> The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global
governance (here, in my quoted email, private and extra
territorial IP enforcement) so often gets responded to by a CIR
management solution. I have endless (non) debates with McTim
over similar lines. Why should discussions on so many other more
important issues of global Internet governance remain forever
hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management
space. <br>
> <br>
> Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains
that unlike DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP
regime that is immune to IP regimes that are otherwise operating
over them, de jure or de facto. I have asked for countervailing
systems of political and democratic power specifically against
US's unilateral enforcement of its law over other countries. I
dont see how this problem gets solved by your response.<br>
> <br>
> As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different
kind of issue: In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your
views, I do not have any problem with a single root and a single
DNS, or even for ICANN to be managing it. I only have a problem
with UN gov oversight of ICANN and applicaiton of US law to
ICANN. Just that part should move to an international
jurisdiction, with nothing else changing substantially. This is
a simple, clear and, in my view, wholly reasonable demand.<br>
> <br>
> We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to
issue a direction to ICANN to act in a certain way, in
pursuance of upholding US law in one of the thousand possible
areas that can cause such an order, and ICANN will have to do
it, and all the feigned innocence of ICANN's globalness and
neutrality will be gone up in thin air in a moment. And,
hopefully later than sooner, US government itself will be caught
into a high stake security 'situation' whereby it will just have
to do something vis a vis the CIRs that it exercises control
over, in negation of what it likes to make everyone believe that
it will never do. I have no idea why we must all wait for that
time to scramble to solve the problem that we know is already
there.<br>
> <br>
> parminder <br>
>
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<pre> populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers. And DNSSEC will still work. As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive: Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space. Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways. Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block. (Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can rem
ain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.) What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an internet of internets. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> To be removed from the list, visit: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a> For all other list information and functions, see: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a> To edit your p
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