<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:58 PM, John Curran wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:37 PM, David Allen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Since discussion advances with evidence and logic, let's take the next steps with facts and analysis.</div><div><br></div>Quoting from below, in reverse and various order.<div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There are system weaknesses that may be corrected with the transparent monitoring and review through the public feedback about the direct influence reflected on decisions of the external public services.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>_Long_ years - and years - of experience make clear that this most decidedly is not so.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Strange. The most recent effort in this area was the ATRT review:</div><div><<a href="http://www.icann.org/en/accountability/atrt-report-25jun11-en.pdf">http://www.icann.org/en/accountability/atrt-report-25jun11-en.pdf</a>></div><div><br></div><div>Are you suggesting that: A) The ATRT review did not identify the key changes </div><div>necessary to provide the necessary accountability and transparency, or B) that</div><div>ICANN is not going to implement the results in an effective manner, or C) some </div><div>other reason why the ability of the community to correct ICANN's weaknesses</div><div>in these areas "most decidedly is not so" ?</div><div><br></div><div>I'd like to understand the analytic basis of your premise in light of the most recent </div><div>ATRT review and action item followup activity.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>/John</div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>B), modified - as the original noted:</div><div><br></div><div>This is only the last in a long series of reviews and criticisms, over several years. ICANN has brushed off each of those reviews, with perfunctory acknowledgement. Over years. Years.</div><div><br></div><div>When the track record is so clear, protestations that 'things will be different this time,' just don't cut it. Only action.</div><div><br></div><div>Again, history and facts are determinative. Including future history, when and as it may come to pass.</div><div><br></div><div>This is a case where _only_ results, finally, can overcome the stain of a past record. Not protestations.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, David</div><br></body></html>