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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Deirdre, you are right, you have given a good statement and example.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, are you agree that its ICANN function to resolve it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Imran Ahmad Shah</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance@lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deirdre Williams<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 09, 2011 04:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Daniel Kalchev<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Which is what I meant by "has anyone asked us?" <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is probably no longer politically correct to describe an argument as "jesuitical", but prevaricating, dissembling and equivocating still work. As someone else said earlier - if there is a technical issue then it becomes ICANN's responsibility to work towards its resolution. Human error has to be left with humans.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The computer is dealing with a pattern of on and off - 0 and 1. That pattern must be unique otherwise the thing won't work. If I am not paying attention and click on the wrong link then that becomes my problem, as well as if I don't read the signs properly when driving and turn down the wrong road. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If the strings "behind" .$% and <a href="mailto:.@&">.@&</a> are the same, that is ICANN's (IANA's) function, that is what the institutions were set up for, and we rely on them to fix it<br>Deirdre<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 9 November 2011 05:10, Daniel Kalchev <<a href="mailto:daniel@digsys.bg">daniel@digsys.bg</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On 08.11.11 14:44, Adam Peake wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>I'm guessing (a technically ignorant guess) that for a Bulgarian IDN ccTLD, registrars should be able to recognize if the string someone was trying to register was Cyrillic or not. So, for example, anything that contained ascii could automatically be rejected. Not correct? Not eyes that recognize, but software.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Your guessing is correct. But... :)<br><br>It is not computers that may be confused. For computers, these are utterly different strings. In fact, for a computer, any string, no matter how 'similar' someone claims it to be, as long as it has even a single different bit - is different. period.<br><br>Now, about humans... I have been discussing this with a lot of people all the way since this saga began. Human brain works in such a way, that humans do not recognize individual letters, nor they care of their similarity to any other individual letter. Humans recognize words. Now, before someone jumps in to say domain names are not words (*) just hold on a bit.<br><br>There is this famous English saying "it all looks greek to me" (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me</a>)<br>It says it all.<br><br>It is not only Cyrillic using users that will immediately recognize any text containing Cyrillic or ASCII as different, but also the typical America will too. They may not know that this is Cyrillic or Greek, but they will know it is not ASCII, or rather it is "strange characters". Or in our context: oh, this is one of those funny IDN domains.<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>So I am guessing it would be possible to ensure no ascii string could be registered under IDN .BG, and if that were so then the chance of having a confusing string under either .BR or IDN .BG would be remote.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>It is not only possible. It is certain that there will be no ASCII sub-domains under .бг<span style='color:#888888'><br><br><span class=hoenzb>Daniel</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>