<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Hello</span> <span class="hps">Paul,</span><br><br> <span class="hps">I believe</span> <span class="hps">with you</span> <span class="hps">on this principle of</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">"voice"</span> <span class="hps">but a</span> <span class="hps">credible voice</span><span class="">.</span> <span class="hps">This procedure</span> <span class="hps">is feasible and</span> <span class="hps">possible in</span> <span class="hps">a democracy where</span> <span class="hps">the</span> <span class="hps">leaders</span> <span class="hps">respect the rights of</span> <span class="hps">citizens.</span> <span class="hps">In</span> <span class="hps">the African context</span><span class="">, more</span> <span class="hps">partioculièrement</span> <span class="hps">in my country,</span> <span class="hps">this practice</span> <span class="hps">is totally</span> <span class="hps">politicized.</span> <span class="hps">Most</span> <span class="hps">non-state actors</span> <span class="hps">without</span> <span class="hps">power of decision</span> <span class="hps">fits easily</span> <span class="hps">into</span> <span class="hps">acquaintances</span> <span class="hps">without</span> <span class="hps">political parties</span> <span class="hps">most often</span> <span class="hps">reflects the will of</span> <span class="hps">the people or</span> <span class="hps">the communities they</span> <span class="hps">are supposed to represent</span><span class="">.</span> <span class="hps">There is</span> <span class="hps">still some way</span> <span class="hps">to go before</span> <span class="hps atn">the principle of "</span><span class="">multisakeholderism</span><span class="">"</span> <span class="hps">is effectively</span> <span class="hps">understood and applied</span> <span class="hps">satisfactorily</span> <span class="hps">to the benefit of</span> <span class="hps">all concerned</span><span class="">.<br>
<br>Baudouin<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/31 Paul Lehto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com">lehto.paul@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>It seems that in the longstanding debates about the merits and demerits of multi-stakeholderism, there is a perspective that may possibly help reconcile the views of some major positions on this issue, or perhaps even reconcile all of them: The question perhaps ought to be framed in terms of having a voice versus having a vote.<br>
<br>Under human rights and democracy laws, only human beings (or their elected representatives) have votes. But businesses, NGOs, and others often have relevant if not important expertise, and thus have relevant if not important "voices" that are either useful or even necessary to intelligent process, and thus to good outcomes.<br>
<br>Garbage in, garbage out. For good process, we need good "voices" or good information. One big source of this good information are all the folks we think of as invitees or participants in a "multi-stakeholder" process.<br>
<br>The issues arise when the voices are also the only votes or the main votes. This confuses good, democratic process of furthering the important cause of an INFORMED decision-making electorate or process, with the issue of WHO HAS A VOTE. Under democracy and fundamental humans rights laws, only human beings have votes, and it is one a one person/one vote basis.<br>
<br>For the moment, let's put aside the issue of building robust electoral systems on a global scale allowing all the humans to vote who are interested in doing so and effected by what's proposed (i.e. "the governed.") There may be challenges there to be sure, but if this is considered a worthy objection ultimately, then it is a worthy objection for a dictator to object to democracy because polling places, precincts, ballots and other infrastructure simply does not exist. That's a bad joke, or an excuse for authoritarianism, not a valid objection to working towards and implementing democracy.<br>
<br>The call of freedom and democracy movements worldwide has nearly always been essentially the same thing: let's make democracy REAL. And then we will eternally have to keep it real, of course.<br><br>We ought to have multi-stakeholderism in terms of Voice Process, but not in terms of Vote Process. It's very important to hear all the different perspectives including business perspectives (Multi-stakeholderism), but that should not translate into non-elected OR non-human persons or entities voting and determining the laws and policies that structure and define the freedom of the internet (or the necessary protections against fraud and abuse).<br>
<br>Paul Lehto, J.D. <br><font color="#888888"><br><br> <br>-- <br>Paul R Lehto, J.D.<br>P.O. Box 1 <br>Ishpeming, MI 49849 <br><a href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank">lehto.paul@gmail.com</a><br>906-204-4026 (cell)<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN<br>CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/<br>ACADEMIE DES TIC<br>FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre<br>At-Large Member<br>NCSG Member<br><br><a href="mailto:email%3Abaudouin.schombe@gmail.com" target="_blank">email:baudouin.schombe@gmail.com</a><br>
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