<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">To add to the absurdity of the statement: The UK is trying to reach a consensus on cyber security while also one of the leading countries exporting technology that make both internet and mobile communications less secure, as was most recently documented in Iran:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-31/iranian-police-seizing-dissidents-get-aid-of-western-companies.html">www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-31/iranian-police-seizing-dissidents-get-aid-of-western-companies.html</a><br><div><br></div><div>Following on from Milton's last statement, it's not just the freedom of their own citizens that the UK/US are chipping away at. It's the rest of the worlds as well...<br><div><br></div><div>Ben</div><div><br>
<br><div><div>On 31 Oct 2011, at 17:11, Deirdre Williams wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">And haven't you noticed that it is absolutely de rigueur for a country to be under cyber-attack, as it used to be essential for cocktail party conversation, if one were the right age and gender of course, to have had a hysterectomy?<div>
Deirdre</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 31 October 2011 11:57, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">> These reports were on the BBC this morning, in case they are any help.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12371056" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12371056</a> William Hague: UK is under cyber-attack<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Typical of the distorted dialogue around this issue, this article screams “UK is under cyberattack!!!” and when you read the details you see a bunch of uncoordinated
routine problems, such as viruses embedded in attachments, and some espionage probes, many of which were successfully blocked. And then we have the mother of all nonsequiturs: “Mr Hague said these kinds of cyber-threats called for a "global response", with
like-minded countries agreeing standards of behaviour on the internet.” So, to translate this into meatspace terms, the fact that there were and probably still are Russian, Israeli, Syrian (and maybe even a few American) spies in the UK required a “global
response” too. And of course govts will pass high—sounding resolutions not to do that, and of course they will continue to do it if they can get useful intelligence from it and get away with it. My problem with all this is that whenever UK and US govts start
talking cybersecurity it is their own citizens’ freedom and privacy they start chipping away at, not those of other govts.
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