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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hi Avri<BR>
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My apologies for my late response. Alexander Klimburg, whom I work with, is attending the London conference on invitation of Chatham House (which is resposible for the civil society engagement component of the conference). The focus was originally to be Foreign Secretary Haguge's 7 principles on cybersecurity, mentioned at the Munich security conference. Alexander thinks this is going to be particulary interesting as one or even two of Hague's principles were directly related to freedom of access to the Internet, which was clearly interpreted differently in the aftermath of the England riots (much to Russia's and China's glee). In any case, the expectations at the moment are not very high.<BR>
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Alexander says he has a lot of regard for the discussion on this forum, and if there is interest on this thread he could write a very short report on the conference, albeit from a "national cybersecurity" point of view. He does say, however, not to expect too much - both from the conference itself as well as his report - there might not be very much worthwhile to report on.<BR>
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Best regards from Vienna,<BR>
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Philipp<BR>
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR>
Von: governance@lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Avri Doria<BR>
Gesendet: So 30.10.2011 17:46<BR>
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Betreff: [governance] November 1-2 Ministerial Cyber Event was Re: [] Cyber Security 2011<BR>
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I apologize for sending out the wrong link at first.<BR>
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I had heard about the Chatham House event sitting in a conference meeting, was horrified and without having the correct information wanted to make a wider group of people aware - since the time is so short. And what I did was confused things. <BR>
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but at least the issue is now on the table. And fortunately there were people to correct it.<BR>
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Thanks to Wolfgang and Ben for correcting my erroneous sky is falling message. I still think it may be falling, but not from the direction I was pointing.<BR>
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So, is there any official information on this event other than the Register articles? Is anyone on this list participating who can give more information?<BR>
It does appear that they are doing a pretty good job of keeping this thing secret. Why is that?<BR>
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avri<BR>
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Ps.<BR>
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One useful piece of info in the Register article:<BR>
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> The event will be held on 1 and 2 November, watch out for The Register's foray into live-tweeting from the conference floor by following c. ®<BR>
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We should be ready to comment on the info that comes out of this event. Quickly and loudly.<BR>
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On 30 Oct 2011, at 09:14, Rui Correia wrote:<BR>
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> Yes, Ben is right on the need to set the two apart. It would be useful for those commenting to state which event they are referring to.<BR>
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> The link sent by Wolfgang is for an event co-sponsored by Chatham House, which has done great work in human rights, exposing corruption, etc etc. I would find it odd to see them involved in an event in collusion with governments/ business to shut out CS.<BR>
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> Rui<BR>
> <BR>
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> On 30 October 2011 15:01, Ben Wagner <b@nwagner.org> wrote:<BR>
> To clarify the difference, there is a difference between the two events. The first link by Avri isn't the offical conference, it's the inter-governmental event on Nov. 1-2 CS should be concerned about.<BR>
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> To provide a little more context to the event:<BR>
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> <A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/26/cyber_hague_event/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/26/cyber_hague_event/</A><BR>
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> <A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/20/bring_economics_into_freedom_debate/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/20/bring_economics_into_freedom_debate/</A><BR>
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> From everything I have heard so far this will be a very high level event attempting to focus the debate on cyber security at the expense of most other internet governance issues.<BR>
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> Ben<BR>
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> On 30 October 2011 11:21, Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin@well.com> wrote:<BR>
> This event sounds very much like a trade show on security, with a major sponsor Endace, a New Zealand company looking for worldwide expansion. Somehow, advertising the event smacks of show business, one day boondoggling in London for £995 + VAT registration. Are the good times coming back ?<BR>
> - - -<BR>
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> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 13:35, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:<BR>
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> Hi,<BR>
><BR>
> This monstrosity was pointed out to me the other day.<BR>
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> <A HREF="http://www.cybersecuritysummit.co.uk/">http://www.cybersecuritysummit.co.uk/</A><BR>
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> As far as i can tell it is another conference on IG without Civil society representation, though a fair amount of business - the business especially who make a great part of their living from selling the tools of so called security.<BR>
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> Have I missed the discussion of this on this list?<BR>
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> avri<BR>
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