Interesting suggestions for a statement are being discussed. I hope to be able to comment on Sala´s e-mail soon.<br><br>I just would like to reinforce that, as Jeremy mentioned, IGC has produced a statememt about enhanced cooperation. I could find it online here: <a href="http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/un/unpan043237.pdf">http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/un/unpan043237.pdf</a> and I take the opportunity to ask Jeremy to "pull" all our previous statements to the current website, as they are one of the most important elements of our institutional memory.<br>
<br>On that statement IGC pointed out four general options about EC. The discussion to reach this 4 options was a very rich one, and I believe that any position from IGC about the institutional aspect of EC should build on that 4 options, not start from scratch.<br>
<br>I also take the opportunity to ask for more clarification about the suggestion for the poll, as I did not understand what would be the topics covered.<br><br>Best wishes,<br><br>Marília<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Marilia Maciel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear all,<br><br>Sorry for joining the discussion late, but I tried to find out what will be forwarded to IBSA summit and in what status. As far as I could understand, from the Brazilian gov: a) the seminar will be acknowledged in the summit b) there will be a proposal that CS from IBSA participates fully on the formulation of any proposal of institutional change/mechanism and c) it will be proposed that wider discussions with CS from the three countries is carried out to improve IBSA proposal before any further step is taken.<br>
<br>In any case, I think that it does not diminishes the importance of inputs from IGC, especially if these inputs are aimed at concreteley improving IBSA´s set of recommendations. In my personal view, there is no other country/group of countries that is being more open to dialogue about their position on institutional changes than IBSA, so concrete proposals that the three countries could take on board would be more useful than making a statement to solely be against X, Y or Z.<br>
<br>Best wishes,<br><br>Marília<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 08/10/11 10:14, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Hi guys,
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<div>I edited my earlier comments, here is the revised version:</div>
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I like this, though probably we can lose the UN-style wording of the
preamble (I wrote my first IGC statement in the same way, but others
pointed out that as CS we don't need to imitate the
intergovernmental style).<div><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><b>Acknowledging</b>
that the WGIG in its 2005 report concluded that there is merit in
improving
institutional coordination as well as coordination among all
stakeholders at
the regional, subregional and national levels, the IGC believes
that this does
not justify the creation of an <a>institution</a><span><span style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: 115%;"><a language="JavaScript" name="132ee061996e2d85_132ed3d06f84a9c0__msoanchor_1">[s1]</a><span> </span></span></span>;</blockquote>
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This may be too strong? Last year, we wrote in a consensus
statement that "It is imperative that this [governance] deficit
continue to be addressed through the existing institutions, and
where appropriate through new institutional developments that comply
with the accepted process criteria of being open, accountable,
transparent, democratic and inclusive."<div><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;">[Suggestion
to IGC: We can hold a white monkey survey and take a vote on
the issue –
although we should be prepared for the results]</span></p>
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I agree that this could be helpful, so I propose to add an optional
section about these issues to the upcoming coordinator election
poll, after the vote for coordinator, so as not to bother people
with multiple polls in a short space of time. This will make it
easier to draft a short statement that, as Carlos said, is proactive
in suggesting improvements rather than just harping on the negatives
of the IBSA proposal. Even if we miss the Summit dates, it will be
useful to have this up our sleeves for later.<br>
<br>
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