Hi guys,<div><br></div><div>I edited my earlier comments, here is the revised version:</div><div><br></div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Noting</b> that
reference to the IBSA Multistakeholder meeting on Global Internet Governance
was restricted to public and private sector and civil society in India, Brazil and
South Africa although there has been some notable contentions by Nupef<a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/s.tamanikaiwaimaro/My%20Documents/IGF/Sala's%20comments%20on%20the%20IBSA%20Proposal.doc#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;
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mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">[1]</span></span></span></span></a> ;</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Acknowledging</b> the
advice given to the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) by one of the organisers
of the IBSA meeting that invitations were sent to diverse stakeholders and that
proponents are desirous to solicit enhanced cooperation;</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Noting</b> that the
spirit of Global Internet Governance demands that any discussions affecting the
evolution of internet governance discussions should involve the global internet
community through the global internet governance forums that are convened
annually;</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Noting</b> the UN General
Assembly Resolution A/63/202<a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/s.tamanikaiwaimaro/My%20Documents/IGF/Sala's%20comments%20on%20the%20IBSA%20Proposal.doc#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2" title=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;
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mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">[2]</span></span></span></span></a> emphasis
for facilitation of meaningful participation and called on the Secretary
General to provide a Report on enhanced cooperation;</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Noting</b> the United
Nations Economic and Social Council’s Report of the Secretary General on the
Enhanced Cooperation on Public Policy issues pertaining to the Internet (E/2009/92*)<a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/s.tamanikaiwaimaro/My%20Documents/IGF/Sala's%20comments%20on%20the%20IBSA%20Proposal.doc#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3" title=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;
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mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">[3]</span></span></span></span></a> ;</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Acknowledging</b>
that the WGIG in its 2005 report concluded that there is merit in improving
institutional coordination as well as coordination among all stakeholders at
the regional, subregional and national levels, the IGC believes that this does
not justify the creation of an <a>institution</a><span class="MsoCommentReference"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%"><a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_1" href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/s.tamanikaiwaimaro/My%20Documents/IGF/Sala's%20comments%20on%20the%20IBSA%20Proposal.doc#_msocom_1" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_1">[s1]</a><span> </span></span></span>;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">[Suggestion
to IGC: We can hold a white monkey survey and take a vote on the issue –
although we should be prepared for the results]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We the IGC hold the following views:-</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[<i>It is ok to put a
diverse representation of our views on the matter and we all do not have to
agree eg.</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Perspective 1</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Perspective 2</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Perspective 3</i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><br></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>It is perfectly
understandable not to share the same view on things as we are from different
contexts and perspectives. It is also ok to show where and in what instances we
are in agreement eg. An open and free internet, meaningful participation even
if we disagree on “methodologies”</i> ]</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Sala’s views</u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(My personal views on the matter are that the greatest
strength of the Internet Governance Forum is that it is transparent, democratic
and multi-stakeholder and to create a single institution to manage global
internet processes to develop processes for internet at global level could
threaten vulnerable groups. <span> </span>The architecture
of the Internet where diverse stakeholders have roles in managing different
aspects makes “governance” using traditional governance models a challenge and
is where the two diverse perspectives of “real law” and “cyber law” may never
agree to meet and it is an attempt in futility to try to get them to agree.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What should be done, in my view is to gather the
philosophers to start thinking of existing or new philosophical foundations
that can address this issue. Jean Jacques Rousseau who developed the social
contract theory in the 18<sup>th</sup> Century clearly did not witness
something like the global borderless internet. Where jurisdictions differ on
how they are to control and regulate something so transcendently global and
borderless.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">To this day, you can name the few instances where
governments are in complete agreement on something and this is a testament to
the diverse contexts and notions of sovereignty and interests. In WGIG 2005
Report V. A. 36 recommended the “creation of new space for dialogue for all
stakeholders on an equal footing on all Internet governance related issues”.
This has been successful in my view and I acknowledge that people view success
differently as there are various yardsticks because people are different and
expectations clearly differ.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clearly from observing the discussions on the list, it is
clear that some measure success in getting clear outcomes which can be
executed. Some are content to merely engage people in robust discussions etc.
If one examines all the institutions and stakeholders within the Internet
Universe, we will see that there is always room to improve and what processes currently
exist where we can address this.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Without a doubt, Internet governance discussions are on a crossroads.
At the same time, it is imperative that we examine and dialogue on the drivers
and motivations behind the IBSA. Should it justify the creation of a new entity
and institution?</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>The United Nations
Internet Governance Secretariat (“Secretariat”) already exists and if the
stakeholders within the IBSA feel that coordination can be improved then it
should communicate to the Secretariat what it feels could be strengthened. In
my view to bypass the Secretariat and lobby within the United Nations General
Assembly is to act in bad faith of the machinery that is already available to
us as members of the Internet Universe. </p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[I am not sure whether a Survey has been done ever on the
matter, perhaps it has, pardon my ignorance].</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In UN meetings, only governments are given votes and in some
instances there are forced governments which are not elected etc. In having a
forum like the current IGF model people can have freedom of expression. The use
of “multilateral” goes against the grain of the core definition of Internet
Governance that was developed<span> </span>in the
WGIG 2005 report that the then UN Secretary General commissioned which was
subsequently endorsed by member states of the UN.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Internet governance as defined by the WGIG 2005 Report “ is
the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil
society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules,
decision making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of
the Internet”.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Authentic enhanced cooperation</b> <u>should not</u> be regulated, it should
be encouraged. <span> </span>The definition of
Internet Governance in my view shows the beauty and the delicate compromise
where stakeholders acknowledge that their roles and mandates clearly exist and
that no one can take it away from them. There is nothing to stop governments
from continuing in their roles and approaches to governance in their respective
jurisdictions. Similarly with the private and civil society there is nothing to
stop them from carrying out their usual business, responsibilities, mandates
etc. This is what makes the world go round!</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The WGIG 2005 Report further reinforced the inclusiveness approach
and to shift the spotlight on a single spectrum, albeit powerful spectrum, is
to forever alter the “inclusiveness” approach. Did the Tunis Agenda mention
“multilateral”? <span> </span>There are instances
within the Internet Universe that wilkl require multilateral approaches to
issues such as cyber security for instance. However, in terms of the broader
framework of Internet Governance everyone has their place.<span> </span><span> </span>In
fact Part IV of the WGIG 2005 Report talks about developing a common understanding
of the roles of government, private sector and civil society. </p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The use of “fragmentation of the internet”, “disjointed
policy making” within the IBSA needs to be substantiated by solid empirical
evidence and research so that in a transparent nature, the members of the
internet universe can decide whether and how improvements should be made. There
should also be substantive discussions on whether existing procedures and
processes have been exhausted to address these issues.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In terms of encouraging access and participation in
developing worlds, I see it as the responsibility of people from within the
regions that they are respectively from to empower and enlighten their people
to participate in policy processes. If they are denied the opportunity to
participate and participate meaningful, then we have a serious problem but
until then, we should seek to support the multi-stakeholder model. I welcome
the call for A/63/202 for member states and UN members to allocate resources
for meaningful participation. I also welcome moves by the Diplo Community to
encourage e participation in policy processes. Institutions like ICANN are
inclusive in their approach to receiving feedbacks from the all stakeholders
through their diverse processes. Institutions like the ITU only permit
governments and paying members such as Telcos and ISPs to participate in their
processes. This is not a criticism of ITU nor is it praise for ICANN but a mere
observation that all institutions have their place and mandates and together
the internet universe and its stakeholders can work together to encourage and
open and free internet.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If for some reason, the developing world feels that they are
not given the opportunity to have their say, then they should speak up and move
into positions where they can contribute and speak up for their
communities.<span> </span>We need to encourage
catalysts within regions to work closely with the United Nations Internet
Governance Secretariat Remote Participation team and Network Operator Groups
(NOGs), Internet Service Providers (ISPs), and other stakeholders within the
region to ensure cohesive participation for all. This should be an enhancement
of process which is something that the Coordinators can lobby and push for in a
strategic coherent manner. )</p>
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8.0pt;line-height:115%"><span> <a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/s.tamanikaiwaimaro/My%20Documents/IGF/Sala's%20comments%20on%20the%20IBSA%20Proposal.doc#_msoanchor_1" class="msocomoff">[s1]</a></span></span></span>This
is where the survey will be useful (white monkey?)</p>
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</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I think we can and should do better. I recall this part of Nupef's<br>
statement:<br>
<br>
"Nupef recognizes that the IBSA recommendations might be an interesting<br>
starting point for a discussion if reformulated and improved, not only<br>
in its content but also in the process of its further development,<br>
including a wider range of civil society voices in an open,<br>
participatory and transparent process."<br>
<br>
This is what I think we should be proactively doing. What could be<br>
improved, changed (in what direction), discarded and so on? Nupef is<br>
trying to do its part in a dialogue with the BR gov (unfortunately in<br>
pt_br so far). I suspect the SA CS is trying to do the same, and so are<br>
our CS fellows from India.<br>
<br>
Time is quite short, though.<br>
<br>
frt rgds<br>
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--c.a.<br>
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On 10/07/2011 07:15 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
> So we're commenting on the summary?<br>
><br>
> Perhaps we should just endorse the Nupef's statement<br>
> <<a href="http://www.nupef.org.br/?q=node/84" target="_blank">http://www.nupef.org.br/?q=node/84</a>> ?<br>
><br>
> Adam<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> The IBSA proposal, in some form, will be issued at the upcoming Summit<br>
>> on 18-19 October. This leaves us about a week if we want to issue a<br>
>> statement ahead of that Summit with our input on the proposal.<br>
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