I totally agree with Carlos Afonso about the need to dissociate civil society participants on the seminar from the set of recommendations. As I said on my post about the seminar, already reproduced here on the list, "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, tahoma, verdana; color: rgb(71, 71, 71); line-height: 19px; ">The government representatives of IBSA drafted a set of recommendations, with focus on institutional improvement. The document will be forwarded to the next IBSA summit, in South Africa". T</span>he set of recommendations were drafted by government representatives of IBSA after the seminar, as as can be seen on the <a href="http://direitorio.fgv.br/http%3A/%252Fwww.direitorio.fgv.br/cts/seminario-ibas">program</a>.<div>
<br></div><div>On the last panel, about institutional arrangements, issues such as a global policy making gap and the possibility of the creation of a new body have been raised during the seminar, as a brainstorming, and there was not a document emerging from it.<br>
<div><br></div><div>The language of the document put forth by IBSA was unfortunate, on the sense that it gives reason to believe that the points governments raised have somehow been endorsed by other actors. Civil society from Brazil has engaged on conversation with the Brazilian government, that made a commitment to clarify that the document has an intergovernmental nature</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now, as someone who worked on the organization of the seminar itself, I also feel the need to clarify its dynamics. The seminar took place in FGV premises (an academic institution) and the meeting was open to anybody who would like to participate. Online registration was the only requirement (so we could program coffee breake, etc). But people could register on the spot as well. In spite of the fact of the tight schedule (funding was only secured 1 month and a half before), a set of people from all stakeholder groups were contacted by phone and mail, and we asked them to replicate the invitation. Civil society organizations that work with broadband even agreed to postpone an act that was being organized on the same date, so there would be no clashing what would allow more participation. </div>
<div><br></div><div>So, even though outreach was imperfect and that some people that were invited could not attend, I think it is important to stress that the discussion of substantive issues and institutional processes were done in an open manner, and it is my personal understanding that there was a frank dialogue between governments and non-gov actors during the sessions, including the one about institutional arrangements. That certainly differentiates that initiative from the dynamics that has taken place elsewhere. Secondly, the seminar should be seen as a starting point for starting formal ways of discussing the topic, and I totally agree with Carlos that the best place would be CGI.br, due to its multistakeholder representative composition.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Looking forward to provide any more information about the organization of the meeting, either on the list or on the corridors of the IGF.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Marília</div><div>
<br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/28 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Thanks for this clarification.<br>
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This underlines the need for CS to come up with an own draft of Internet Governance Principles. But this has to be done in an open and transparent manner. I am really surprised that IBSA worked in such an intransparent way.<br>
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wolfgang<br>
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Von: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> im Auftrag von Carlos A. Afonso<br>
Gesendet: Mi 28.09.2011 11:23<br>
An: WSIS Internet Governance Caucus<br>
Betreff: [governance] Instituto Nupef on IBSA Rio recommendations<br>
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Dear people,<br>
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Regarding the recent recommendations (attached as PDF) produced by the<br>
governments of India, Brazil and South Africa in the context of the IBSA<br>
initiative (<a href="http://www.ibsa-trilateral.org" target="_blank">www.ibsa-trilateral.org</a>) and as a consequence of a meeting<br>
on Internet Governance held by IBSA in Rio de Janeiro on Sept.02, 2011,<br>
Instituto Nupef has the following comments:<br>
<br>
The document is presented as the result of an IBSA Multistakeholder<br>
meeting and all over the document the meeting is presented as the<br>
subject who puts forward the recommendations. We must clarify that there<br>
was no such multistakeholder meeting - Nupef was invited to participate<br>
in the IBSA seminar as a Brazilian NGO which has views and experiences<br>
to share on the issues of Internet Governance. Nupef has never expected<br>
that a document would be produced after the meeting, there was no<br>
deliberation on concrete outcomes and no process that would lead to a<br>
production of a final document endorsed by those who were present. In<br>
our point of view, this subject in the text that presents the proposal -<br>
"the meeting" - doesn't exist;<br>
<br>
Nupef is against the creation of a new body "located within the UN<br>
system" dedicated to undertake the roles described in the IBSA<br>
recommendations;<br>
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Nupef doesn't see how such body could "integrate and oversee the bodies<br>
responsible for technical and operational functioning of the Internet,<br>
including global standards setting;" and why this would be necessary;<br>
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Nupef recognizes that the IBSA recommendations might be an interesting<br>
starting point for a discussion if reformulated and improved, not only<br>
in its content but also in the process of its further development,<br>
including a wider range of civil society voices in an open,<br>
participatory and transparent process;<br>
<br>
Nupef agrees that close collaboration and concrete action is needed in<br>
the field of Internet Governance and strongly suggests that existing<br>
dialogue spaces for civil society, government and private sector - such<br>
as the CGI.br - and existing communications spaces and structures - such<br>
as e-mail lists and foras that have been hosting this kind of<br>
collaborative reflection and action for several years - be the space for<br>
this exchange and deliberation.<br>
<br>
Nairobi, 28-Sept-2011<br>
Graciela Selaimen<br>
Carlos A. Afonso (c.a.)<br>
Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil<br>
<a href="http://www.nupef.org.br" target="_blank">www.nupef.org.br</a><br>
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