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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=952405115-26092011>I
recently had the opportunity to attend a "technical/expert" Workshop in part a
followup to the eG8 meeting discussing "measuring the Internet Economy"...
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=952405115-26092011>In
light of the below, my blogpost commenting on the Workshop might be of interest
and also give an indication of why among many other reasons it is important
that civil society be a part of these events and point to the impact that the
absence of CS can have both from the CS and the broader
perspective.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=952405115-26092011></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=952405115-26092011><A
href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet-and-why-it-matters/">http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet-and-why-it-matters/</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=952405115-26092011>"perhaps of greatest significance from the perspective
of Civil Society and of communities is the overall absence of measurement and
thus inclusion in the economic accounting of the value of the contributions
provided to, through and on the Internet of various voluntary and not-for-profit
initiatives and activities"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=952405115-26092011>Mike</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=952405115-26092011></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org
[mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeremy
Malcolm<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 26, 2011 7:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members]
Fwd: e-G20 in October<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Important news of a follow-up to the
e-G8 meeting in conjunction with next month's G20.<BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>From: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">Walter van Holst <<A
href="mailto:walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl">walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Subject:
</B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>[EDRi-members] Fwd:
e-G20 in October</B><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Date: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">26 September 2011 4:52:34
PM GMT+03:00<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>To: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><<A
href="mailto:edri-members@edri.org">edri-members@edri.org</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Reply-To:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><A
href="mailto:edri-members@mailman.edri.org">edri-members@mailman.edri.org</A><BR></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR><BR>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: e-G20 in
October<BR>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:37:39 +0200<BR>From: Irene Prevedello
<<A
href="mailto:irene.prevedello@agoradigitale.org">irene.prevedello@agoradigitale.org</A>><BR>To:
<A href="mailto:board@edri.org">board@edri.org</A><BR>Cc: Luca Nicotra <<A
href="mailto:nicotra@agoradigitale.org">nicotra@agoradigitale.org</A>><BR><BR>Dear
EDRi,<BR><BR>the first attempt to endanger the freedom of the net luckily turn
out<BR>into thin air. The most disappointing aspect of the e-G8 was that
WE<BR>were not a part of it. WE weren't able to express our ideas. WE
were<BR>kept off the closed court.<BR><BR>The 21th of October there is going
to be another e-G20 in Paris, and<BR>again there is the concrete risk that
very important decisions will be<BR>taken without us been involved.<BR><BR>We
have little time, but surely the will, to avoid been excluded
again.<BR><BR><BR>The counter-conference organized in May by "La Quadrature du
Net" is,<BR>in our opinion, a good starting point for a broader
collaboration<BR>between the organizations representing the civil
society.<BR><BR>Agorà Digitale strongly believes that the civil society
shouldn't be<BR>left in the audience, on the contrary it should be represented
at the<BR>negotiating table and perform an active role. In order to do so
we<BR>should coordinate our efforts and take joint actions that put
pressure<BR>on the invited with the aim of been included in this
important<BR>discussion.<BR><BR>As has happened in May, this Forum has not
been advertized: there is in<BR>fact the tendency to fence the debate.
However, we were able to have<BR>access to some information about the program.
You will find the<BR>information at the end of the mail. .<BR><BR>It is
clear that in a one-day-meeting there is little room for an open<BR>discussion
and participation: all the work, as usual, is probably been<BR>done in these
days in a non-transparent environment between governments<BR>and big
stakeholders. Nevertheless, we should capitalize on this<BR>opportunity, in
the light of the seeming will to make the e-G20 a<BR>regular
meeting.<BR><BR>For now, our aim is double.<BR><BR>First, bring the subject to
the public attention, by organizing<BR>initiatives and sharing information:
it's important to mobilize the net<BR>and the ordinary people, because only by
involving different players and<BR>individuals we can became an interlocutor
with which the invited must<BR>dialogue.<BR><BR>Second, work on some requests
that push for a greater transparency<BR>before and after the official e-G20
Forums. Consequently, we are asking<BR>for a bigger involvement of the
representatives of the civil society,<BR>that should be invited not only at
the official Forums, but at the<BR>preparation meetings as
well.<BR><BR>Considering that the event will receive the media attention, we
also<BR>believe that it will be crucial to be able to organize a
demonstration<BR>to be held during the Forum that can further sensitize public
awareness.<BR><BR>We have some ideas about initiatives that can be useful in
sensitizing<BR>the public opinion. We are proposing a project that aims to be
a<BR>productive open collaboration between different organizations that
share<BR>the belief in the net neutrality and freedom.<BR><BR>We hope that You
find our project interesting and decide to take part<BR>of it. Sharing our
common experiences can help us build an effective<BR>network that can achieve
important results.<BR><BR>Waiting for your response and
ideas,<BR><BR>Cordially,<BR><BR>Irene Prevedello<BR><BR>Agorà Digitale
Team<BR><BR>Program e-G8 (21th October 2011)<BR><BR>There is going to be a
plenary session discussing on:<BR><BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Innovation: networks’ friend or
foe?<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* How
to combine the Internet business model and respect for privacy?<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* All against
digital divides: the Internet for all.<BR><BR>Then, a restricted session
between Ministers and some entrepreneurs<BR>focusing on the topic: “What
agenda for network security?” will be<BR>held.<BR><BR>Finally, there will be a
Panel-discussion pivoted around the topic:<BR> “The Public Space of the
21st century: does the Internet safeguard<BR>political
democracy?”.<BR><BR>Ministers Invited<BR><BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Afrique du Sud : Radhakrishna Lutchmana
PADAYACHIE, ministre des<BR>communications<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Allemagne: Philipp ROSLER, Vice-chancelier,
ministre de l’économie<BR>et de la technologie<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Australie: Stephen
CONROY, ministre des communications, du haut débit<BR>et de l’économie
numérique<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Brésil: Paulo BERNARDO, ministre des
communications<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Canada: Christian PARADIS, ministre de
l’industrie<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Commission européenne: Neelie KROES,
Vice-présidente, commissaire<BR>chargée de l’agenda numérique<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Corée du Sud: See
Joong CHOI, président de la commission coréenne<BR>pour les
communications<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Etats-Unis: Lawrence STRICKLING, secrétaire
adjoint au commerce,<BR>administrateur de la National Telecommunications and
Information<BR>Administration (NTIA)<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Finlande: Krista KIURU, ministre du
logement et des communications<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* France: Eric BESSON, ministre chargé de
l’industrie, de l’énergie<BR>et de l’économie numérique<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Inde: Sam PITRODA,
conseiller du Premier Ministre pour l’innovation<BR>et les technologies de
l’information<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Italie: Paolo ROMANI, ministre du
développement économique<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Japon: Tetsuo YAMAKAWA, ministre des
affaires intérieures et des<BR>communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Kenya: Samuel
POGHISIO, ministre de l’information et des<BR>communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Maroc: Ahmed
CHAMI, ministre de l’industrie, du commerce et des<BR>nouvelles
technologies<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Mexique: Dionisio PEREZ-JACOME, ministre
des communications et des<BR>transports<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Royaume-Uni: Ed VAIZEY, ministre de la
culture, des communications et<BR>des industries créatives<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Russie: Igor
SHCHEGOLEV, ministre des communications et des médias<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>* Suède: Anna-Karin
HATT, ministre de la technologie de l’information<BR>et des affaires
régionales<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
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