<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Dear Milton:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Thankyou. I have read your comments with interest.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Regarding conflicts of interest, I am not alone in expressing concerns. Those in positions of responsibility may develop appropriate solutions.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Regarding Vertical Integration, my point of view has been set out in some detail; I have little to add. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/vi-pdp-initial-report/pdfe3itOHmj9w.pdf">http://forum.icann.org/lists/vi-pdp-initial-report/pdfe3itOHmj9w.pdf</a></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">I recommend that start-up Registries should be able to register names directly subject to certain thresholds.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">However, your comments suggest that there may be a misconception: this is not about the conditions of competition between Registries. It is about the conditions of competition betweeen Registrars.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Regards,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Chrisotpher</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">PS:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>BTW, it is nearly six years since I had any röle in the GAC. So, please . . . </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div><div>On 23 Sep 2011, at 22:38, Milton L Mueller wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Christopher:<br>There is nothing of substance in the EU or US challenge to the vertical integration (VI) decision. <br>As usual, neither the EC nor the US had the presence of mind or seriousness of purpose to participate in the working group that dealt with the VI decision. Their comments are ignorant of what was actually proposed and what transpired in the working group. Indeed, the working group actually proposed to have a market power test that could be referred to national competition authorities. As usual, the GAC came in months afterwards asking ICANN to institute a market power check by national authorities - a completely irrelevant comment by that time. <br><br>I suspect that both the EU and US were lobbied by TM interests and were simply looking for an excuse to delay progress.<br><br>Perhaps you can explain to me how a completely new registry, with ZERO market share, which other registrars may not want to promote without payment or kickbacks, can cause a competition policy problem? How can it have market power? <br><br>If you want to be better informed about this issue, I suggest that you read the archives of the VI WG list, and the reports that were produced by the VI Wg. <br><br>Furthermore, the conflict of interest issue (i.e., Dengate-Thrush's movement to Minds and Machines) actually could have occured with or without the VI decision, and thus your argument is irrelevant. <br><br>________________________________________<br>From: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> [<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>] On Behalf Of CW Mail [<a href="mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu">mail@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>]<br>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:54 AM<br>To: McTim; Discussion for At-Large Europe<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest<br><br>Well, many of us have been subject to "cooling off" periods.<br><br>In this particular case, the issue arises because ICANN has wrongly<br>decided that Registrars may apply to become their own Registries.<br>So now we have - as I foresaw last month - both the EU and the US (a)<br>pointing up the conflict of interest and (b) questioning the<br>competition policy aspects of the vertical integration decision.<br><br>For a bottom-up, consensus driven process in which the At Large are<br>representing the public interest, that is quite an achievement.<br><br>Regards to you all,<br><br>CW<br><br><br>On 22 Sep 2011, at 13:16, McTim wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">I'm not so sure about a cooling off period and 2 years is a long time.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">allowed?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The devil would be in the details, certainly!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">McTim<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM, CW Mail<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu">mail@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9">http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ah, Indeed.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CW<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Von: governance@lists.cpsr.org [<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>] Im<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Auftrag<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">von <a href="mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu">mail@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2011 21:02<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">An: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cc: <a href="mailto:council@isoc-ecc.org">council@isoc-ecc.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Betreff: RE: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">HIS TERM<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">should have<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Nominating<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">GAC or<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">US.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Movements of this kind between the Regulator and the Operators<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">should be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">subject to a 24 month cooling off period.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CW<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Original Message:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----------------<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:07:48 +0200<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote 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