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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Dear Izumi Aizu, How are you? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only members can see the wall, discussion board and photos.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img width=480 height=321 id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CC6D71.54DC2F70"><img width=491 height=319 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CC6D71.54DC2F70"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my concern are as follows.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span>Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the coordinators’ approval). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span>Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect their data, contact and/or other information.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span>Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking site.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span>According to review, current voting and comments in favor of facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above mentioned item No.3 only.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or publishing facebook close group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thanking you and Best Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Imran Ahmad Shah<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Executive Member<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>UISoc.org/IGFPAK.org<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: governance@lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU<br>Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 06:12 PM<br>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; cveraq@gmail.com<br>Cc: Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow<br>Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook?</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thank you for the comments and suggestions. All seem valid and important.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I did not intend to make Facebook page or group too integral with our operations, and I don't exclude using our wiki.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Yet, since there are great many people who are using the Facebook already if not IGC members but they may share our concerns and interests in a larger sense, it might be useful to try this out. That is to start the Open page.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On top of that, or instead of that, say for a while, we can use more private Group function, depending on the settings we can make it secret, closed but could be seen by anyone, or just open.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I like to first try this "closed group" and see how it works (or not).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>izumi<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>2011/9/6 <<a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>cveraq@gmail.com</span></a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sorry I mean greatest<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: cveraq@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:04:39<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>; Carlos A. Afonso<ca@cafonso.ca>; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Norbert Bollow<nb@bollow.ch><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Reply-To: cveraq@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Carlos Vera<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca@cafonso.ca><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sender: governance@lists.cpsr.org<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>; Norbert Bollow<nb@bollow.ch><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Reply-To: governance@lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" <ca@cafonso.ca><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Facebook, and I will not change my mind.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> frt rgds<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> --c.a.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:iza@anr.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>iza@anr.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>> or open or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi to <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>> share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some online <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>> facility. Other than mailing list and official website, we have not <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>> much, and then realized how about using Facebook, (or any other <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>> social tool).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> this purpose, perhaps a wiki?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> record and attitude regarding privacy matters.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> Greetings,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> ____________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the 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find the IGC's charter, see:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.igcaucus.org/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://translate.google.com/translate_t</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> >> Izumi Aizu <<<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Japan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> * * * * 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