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<DIV><SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>IMHO
(and following Sala, Paul, Parminder et al...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>The
issue is not who/how should "regulate the Internet" but rather who/how can
regulate commerce and the flow of goods, money, people, and information in an
Internet enabled world.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>As we
are seeing on this list and in the real world the difficulties of regulating
activities in these areas both at the intra-national, national and
global levels are rapidly outrunning the capacity of existing
instrumentalities to respond. National and global instititutions are currently
going through various convoluted and ultimately futile processes to attempt to
adapt. New institutions are, as we speak, in the process of being
developed. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>The
role of Civil Society in this is not IMHO to argue about how existing
institutions can adapt (or not) but rather to be working towards global
institutions that reflect the basic values of civil society -- democratic
governance, accountability, transparency, and so on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>Mike</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<SPAN class=891555216-27082011><FONT
color=#0000ff face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN><BR><B>From:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>McTim<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 26, 2011 8:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] regulating the
digital space - whose laws apply, and whose do not<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>The issues are more complex than this, but this is my attempt to reduce
the debate to get to the crux of what and how to address the debate:</DIV>
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<DIV><EM><STRONG>Should there be a global global governance mechanism that
creates the law to regulate all States/ multinationals
etc?</STRONG></EM></DIV>
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<DIV>or</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><EM>Should there be mechanisms which allows for countries to
adopt global best practices?</EM></STRONG></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>This survey asks a slightly different question:
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/15/the_fp_survey_the_internet?page=0,6">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/15/the_fp_survey_the_internet?page=0,6</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>-- <BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>McTim<BR>"A name indicates what we seek. An
address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon
Postel</DIV>
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<DIV>Both in my mind already exist in parts...To a large extent this exists
through Mutilateral or Bilateral agreements between nation states and the
existence of international and regional standards. </DIV>
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<DIV>If countries are sovereign and choose to regulate as they please which
is their sovereign right to do, self determination provided that it does not
infringe what universally is agreed as "acceptable conduct". Even with Human
Rights debates and discussions/disourse there are diverse views on
jurisprudence such as the universalism vrs cultural relativism
debate. There will always be diverse views, the question is how
do we come up with clear feasible solutions.</DIV>
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<DIV>We just have to build capacity locally, learn from strengths and
weaknesses of those who have developed and draw from the good, discard the
bad. This is why the IGF and the multistakeholder process is relevant to
developing countries.</DIV>
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<DIV>Sala<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Roland Perry <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com"
target=_blank>roland@internetpolicyagency.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>In message <<A
href="mailto:4E5795FF.5080606@digsys.bg"
target=_blank>4E5795FF.5080606@digsys.bg</A>>, at 15:47:59 on Fri, 26
Aug 2011, Daniel Kalchev <<A href="mailto:daniel@digsys.bg"
target=_blank>daniel@digsys.bg</A>> writes
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class=gmail_quote>According to the 'government rule' opinion, that
country's government should be able to sue Google and/or the "Canadian"
drug sellers for breaching their national laws. Has this ever happened?
There are lots of things, that Internet makes accessible to anyone,
including people whose local government has decided they are not
entitled to it.<BR>What typically happens is it is the consumer that
gets beaten for not assisting the
law.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>Pharmaceuticals are an interesting case
because what's normally being regulated is the ability to prescribe them,
not the consumption.<BR><BR>Therefore, there are some pharmaceuticals
which are available "over the counter" in some countries, but a Doctor's
prescription is required in other countries. Similarly there are certain
pharmaceuticals which are available by Doctor's prescription in some
countries, but only if you are on a clinical trial in other countries
(where the regulator has not yet determined that they are safe to
use).<BR><BR>If the medical community, which is relatively joined-up
worldwide, has not been able to harmonise these things yet, I'm not sure
that those of us in the Internet Governance space can do much to
help.<BR>-- <BR><FONT color=#888888>Roland Perry</FONT>
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