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<font face="sans-serif">This email seems to meant for the IGC list
and got marked by mistake to my id alone.<br>
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And I think i makes some very important points. One of which is
that global harmonisation should increase rather than decrease
outcomes on public interest.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<td>Re: Re: [governance] regulating the digital space - whose
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<td>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:39:33 +0200 (CEST)</td>
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<td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marie.georges@noos.fr">marie.georges@noos.fr</a></td>
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Hi every one </span>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
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the basic reference to the discussed matter which is the
worldwide rule relating to the free trade of goods and services
contained in the The General Agreement on Trade in Services (</span><span
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font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px;">Article XIV of this
general agreement provides for an agreed list of public
interests grounds on the basis of which States are allowed to
forbid importation of goods and services which are not
complying with national laws. The adoption of that article
made the success of the GATS</span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
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font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px;">Interesting enough is one
those grounds: health (another is data protection....) </span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
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font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px;">That is why the only way
to prevent obstacles from the "free flow..;" is
"harmonization". That is why in the EU, and other regional
organizations, such harmonization are set up. </span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
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font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px;">Secondly in those fields
as in the Human rights field, the harmonization needed to
allow the "free flow.." has to be "on a high level", which
means that the harmonized system of protection cant lead to
lower the level of protection insured prior to it in the
concerned States.</span></div>
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De : "parminder" <parminder@itforchange.net><br>
À : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
Objet : Re: [governance] regulating the digital space - whose
laws apply, and whose do not<br>
Date : 27/08/2011 11:42:43 CEST<br>
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<font face="sans-serif">Riaz<br>
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The merits of any particular law being applied is not the
issue here. It is the right of political communities to have
systems to govern themselves, and not be subject to the
dictates/ laws of the most powerful, vis a vis whom people
subject to the power/ laws have no right of representation
or redress. <br>
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A position on this second issue, which is the intended one
in the present thread, is imp to take, whatever it may be.
It should not be confused with a discussion on the actual
merits of a particular law. (In the present case, you may
have a point, but what do you thus imply. US gov should not
be able to apply its politically developed laws to acts
taking place within its boundaries in an area as crucial to
public interest as health. Improving these laws, and
removing the influence of special interest is an entirely
different issue which we would of course agree on.)<br>
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... parminder <br>
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On Saturday 27 August 2011 01:57 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4E58AA6C.7090608@gmail.com" type="cite">I
think it is important that the issue of pharmaceuticals
regulation on the internet be treated with caution - there
the issue is being used along with efforts by BigPharma to
prevent parallel importation (and not consumer protection).
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<br>
And regarding choice of laws, I am not convinced that it is
as easily resolvable as all that. <br>
<br>
As Nader in the US has pointed out, why is it we accept
contractual terms set in fine print etc for regulation of
most of our arrangements - and many of these terms contract
out of consumer protection or benefits that the law would
provide (example waivers etc). But in common law (roman
dutch jurisdictions) contractual liability can attach,
notwithstanding claims of choice of laws in some cases,
where the contract was entered into, where either party
resides, and where there is a the possibility of not
rendering an empty verdict (like getting a judgement and
then seeking enforcement of that judgement in a foreign
jurisdiction). While contractual claims may be difficult, it
is the violation of "fair contracting" terms that (consumer
protection) etc that makes liability issues a global
concern. And hence something that puts poorer countries at
disadvantage. <br>
<br>
Riaz <br>
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On 2011/08/27 01:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">In message <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:4E5795FF.5080606@digsys.bg"><4E5795FF.5080606@digsys.bg></a>,
at 15:47:59 on Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Daniel Kalchev <a
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href="mailto:daniel@digsys.bg"><daniel@digsys.bg></a>
writes <br>
<blockquote type="cite">According to the 'government rule'
opinion, that country's government should be able to sue
Google and/or the "Canadian" drug sellers for breaching
their national laws. Has this ever happened? There are
lots of things, that Internet makes accessible to
anyone, including people whose local government has
decided they are not entitled to it. <br>
What typically happens is it is the consumer that gets
beaten for not assisting the law. <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Pharmaceuticals are an interesting case because what's
normally being regulated is the ability to prescribe them,
not the consumption. <br>
<br>
Therefore, there are some pharmaceuticals which are
available "over the counter" in some countries, but a
Doctor's prescription is required in other countries.
Similarly there are certain pharmaceuticals which are
available by Doctor's prescription in some countries, but
only if you are on a clinical trial in other countries
(where the regulator has not yet determined that they are
safe to use). <br>
<br>
If the medical community, which is relatively joined-up
worldwide, has not been able to harmonise these things
yet, I'm not sure that those of us in the Internet
Governance space can do much to help. <br>
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