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On Thursday 28 July 2011 04:26 PM, Renate Bloem (Gmail) wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
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Verdana; color: navy;">Dear Philippe and Jean-Louis,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Verdana; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Let me first thank
Philippe
for his kind words and his report. Just to add: <st1:country-region
w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region>, on
behalf of <st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region>
and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Brazil</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
made a strong statement in calling for an
intergovernmental mechanism for
enhanced cooperation, separate from but in close
cooperation with the IGF.in<br>
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While there should be some significant institutional innovations to
a traditional inter-governmental platform for global IG (some such
innovations were suggested by my organisation in its submission to
the consultation on enhanced cooperation in Dec 2010), I find the
demand for a new platform for democratic global Internet policy
making very welcome especially in its being conceptualised to be in
close cooperation/ connection with the IGF. <br>
<br>
It is especially so if the IGF can reform itself to be able to
channel multistakeholder inputs purposively into this new policy
making platform (and these three countires have indeed sought such
improvements in the IGF whereas developed countries, along with many
civil society actors from developing countries, have opposed them).<br>
<br>
I completely fail to understand how those who enthusiastically
engage with OECD kind of inter-governmental poliy-making processes,
whose processes of multistakeholder input are patently much less
open and democratic than the above EC-IGF connection scheme, can be
against this kind of policy making system for the global stage. How
do they justify it? I know I have asked this question of simple
democratic equity and fairness several times but I am yet to get a
proper answer to it. I earnestly hope that those to whom I direct
this question will engage with it in the open discursive spirit that
is the hallmark of civil society, and its principle basis of
legitimacy. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Verdana; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Otherwise ECOSOC
adopted without vote all the decisions from its
subsidiary body the CSTD,
including “Participation on non-governmental
organizations and civil society
entities not accredited to WSIS in the work of CSTD”,
taking down the
last barrier for participation in the Commission.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Verdana; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">However,
participation
in ECOSOC itself is still restricted to ECOSOC NGOs.
But these 4 week long
substantive sessions in July, alternating between NY
and Geneva, are seen by
many NGOs/CSOs just as rubberstamping exercises, apart
from the High level
segment at the beginning, and therefore not worth
their attendance (I have a slightly
different opinion) , except for Geneva or NY based
entities for sections of
their interest. Jean Louis, this may explain the low
attendance of CSOs. But
the relative high attendance of Governments at least
indicates interest in the issues.
NGOs are invited and can also take the floor on any
item.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jean-Louis
FULLSACK<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
jeudi, 28. juillet 2011
10:45<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>;
Philippe Blanchard<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
re: [governance] Meeting
report ECOSOC presentations</span></font><span
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12pt;">Dear members of the list <br>
<br>
<br>
Philippe wrote :<br>
< we had the opportunity to have some comments from
the civil society (ISOC-
Internet Society ; CCI – International Chambers of
Commerce).><br>
<br>
I'm surprised to find these orgs under a "civil
society label". Some
complementary comments are needed ... especially
related to the sentence<br>
< the attendance was fairly high. And that is
definitely a good sign.><br>
<br>
Can we, CS representatives in the WSIS process,
qualify such a "biased
attendance" as a good sign ? For which of our goals ?
What I would like to
know is how many true CS delegates attended these
meetings and which
organisatiions they represented. Additionnally it'd be
interesting to know how
DCs were represented in these meetings : governement,
regional orgs, CS and
private sector. <br>
<br>
Perhaps Philippe -or any other delegate on these
meetings- could provide us
these data. Many thanks in advance.<br>
<br>
Jean-Louis Fullsack<br>
CSDPTT <br>
<br>
<br>
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<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">> Message du 27/07/11
10:11<br>
> De : "Philippe Blanchard" <br>
> A : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
> Copie à : "Renate Bloem (Gmail)" <br>
> Objet : [governance] Meeting report ECOSOC
presentations<br>
> <br>
> Dear All,<br>
> <br>
> please find hereby some notes I took during the
ECOSOC presentations. For
reading and archiving purposes, I enclosed the Word
document.<br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Philippe<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Data<br>
> <br>
> Author : Philippe Blanchard<br>
> <br>
> Subject : UN Ecosoc plenary session, reports on
the « World summit on
information society » and « internet governance forum
»<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> 1. Referential documents<br>
> <br>
> Please refer to the ECOSOC webpages and
especially the internet activity
related reports :<br>
> <br>
> • Report of the Secretary-General on progress
made in the
implementation of and follow-up to the outcomes of the
World Summit on the Information
Society at the regional and international levels
(A/66/64 – E/2011/77)<br>
> <br>
> • Report of the Working Group on improvements to
the Internet
Governance Forum (A/66/67-E/2011/79)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> 2. Points of interest<br>
> <br>
> I will not paraphrase the content of the two
reports and I am just taking
the liberty to highlight some elements of interest.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Strong agreement on some stakes both on the
citizen level
(privacy,…) and the economical level (growth factor,
cloud
computing…) and on some risks (fraudulent use ;
espionage…). But no
mention of key elements such as “freedom of speech”,
“local
vs universal jurisdiction”… I fear those elements are
definitely
more controversial and will be/must be addressed once
the e-governance
principles have been set.<br>
> <br>
> · I would personally suggest we work in parallel
the meta-level
(e-governance) and the fields of application. We are
bound to proceed in a
co-development scheme rather than a (more historical)
sequential process.<br>
> <br>
> · IGF is definitely the opportunity to address
this.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The principles of stake-holder participation,
multilateral work are
clearly understood and (at least) communicated. After
the panelists’s
presentation, we had the opportunity to have some
comments from the civil society
(ISOC- Internet Society ; CCI – International Chambers
of Commerce).<br>
> <br>
> · Nicolas SEIDLER, Policy Advisor for ISOC : for
more information on his
report. (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:seidler@isoc.org">seidler@isoc.org</a>)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> We were reminded the “sovereignty of States” (not
a surprise)
and the “necessity to engage in a multistakeholders”.
IGF role is
unanimously recognized. US representatives praised the
“consultative
role” and the fact it was “a no-decision body” (to
ensure
leeway and avoid being struck in some diplomatic
vocabulary bargaining).<br>
> <br>
> · However, I would have liked to have some
definition of “internet
eco-system”. I am afraid there is still a
misunderstanding about the
existence of a theoretical frontier between IRL (in
real-life) and e-life. Cf
some comments, for instance on “internet is a global
facility” from
a State representative (Venezuela, I think)<br>
> <br>
> · Some confusion between “e-governance” and
“internet
governance” also appeared in floor comments, following
the reports
presentation.<br>
> <br>
> · Some demands to extend IGF role (CUBA) and a
request from the Working
group (India, Brasil and RSA- South Africa) to benefit
from a “official
platform”. I am not sure if it was complementary to
IGF or not. This
platform would support more effectively the developing
countries actions and
would bring up “processes to enhance collaboration”.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Points of interest (cont’d)<br>
> <br>
> We were told that Key performance indicators have
been agreed upon by the
CSTD. I think this is key and would suggest these are
shared and monitored by
all the stake-holders and followers. (but it is
probably my “If you
cannot measure it, it is just a hobby” mindset J ).<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I am afraid network neutrality was only mentioned
once and I hope I
wasn’t listening carefully enough.<br>
> <br>
> · For me this element is definitely key. Yes I
understand both the
political and economical stakes… but it is core.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> We were also told that IGF Executive Coordinator
(Markus Kummer’s
previous position) should be soon filled. No deadlines
announced yet.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Conclusion<br>
> <br>
> Very interesting and informative session. I
understood the meeting room
was slightly more packed on the previous days, with
more politically sensitive
discussions but the attendance was fairly high. And
that is definitely a good
sign.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I would like to take the opportunity to thank
twice Mrs Renate BLOEM:<br>
> <br>
> ü she found the way to get me accredited. And I
can swear it was no piece
of cake. Despite the confirmation she had beforehand,
she had to spend 30 mn
securing my access. My accreditation was issued at
10:02 for a meeting starting
at 10:00.<br>
> <br>
> ü The discussion we had after the session was
really great and she brought
challenging food for thought.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Vielen Danke, Renate, du bist wunderbar.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Renate Bloem (Gmail)
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Philippe,<br>
> <br>
> I have tried to accredit you under CIVICUS, hope
it is not too late<br>
> BTW, this item will only be dealt with on
Tuesday, 26 July, 10h00-11h030 <br>
> Best<br>
> Renate<br>
> <br>
> Renate Bloem<br>
> Main Representative<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>] On
Behalf<br>
> Of Philippe Blanchard<br>
> Sent: vendredi, 22. juillet 2011 11:39<br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Roland Perry<br>
> Subject: Re: [governance] ECOSOC<br>
> <br>
> Dear Roland<br>
> <br>
> thank you for the follow-up.<br>
> I have enquired and unfortunately, only the
"usual suspects" :-)
can make<br>
> it.<br>
> I discovered that the "International NON-Olympic
Committee" is
welcome<br>
> whereas the "International Olympic Commitee",
despite its UN
recognition, is<br>
> not !!!<br>
> <br>
> I will follow the outcomes through the net.<br>
> <br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Philippe<br>
> <br>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Roland Perry wrote:<br>
> <br>
> In message
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:1D8E4662-5BB4-40E1-9E5E-C8BCB994F2AA@me.com"><1D8E4662-5BB4-40E1-9E5E-C8BCB994F2AA@me.com></a>,
at
11:35:13 on<br>
> Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Philippe Blanchard writes<br>
> <br>
> > Anyone knows the access condition for public
viewing ?<br>
> <br>
> I have a feeling you have to be [a government or]
ECOSOC accredited.<br>
> <br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://csonet.org/index.php?menu=113">http://csonet.org/index.php?menu=113</a><br>
> <br>
> Several of the 'usual suspects', here, have this.<br>
> <br>
> > creditation.pdf><br>
> <br>
> ps. It's the CSTD (in effect an ECOSOC subgroup)
which is still<br>
> admitting "WSIS accredited" people, which in
practice means
'anyone'.<br>
> But you would still have to register for that [1]
in advance.<br>
> <br>
> [1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ecn162011d1_en.pdf">http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ecn162011d1_en.pdf</a><br>
> -- <br>
> Roland Perry<br>
>
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