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On Thursday 28 July 2011 10:23 PM, parminder wrote:
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On Thursday 28 July 2011 04:26 PM, Renate Bloem (Gmail) wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Verdana; color: navy;">Dear Philippe and Jean-Louis,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Verdana; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Let me first
thank Philippe for his kind words and his report.
Just to add: <st1:country-region w:st="on">South
Africa</st1:country-region>, on behalf of <st1:country-region
w:st="on">India</st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Brazil</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
made a strong statement in calling for an
intergovernmental mechanism for enhanced
cooperation, separate from but in close cooperation
with the IGF.in<br>
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While there should be some significant institutional innovations
to a traditional inter-governmental platform for global IG (some
such innovations were suggested by my organisation in its
submission to the consultation on enhanced cooperation in Dec
2010), I find the demand for a new platform for democratic global
Internet policy making very welcome especially in its being
conceptualised to be in close cooperation/ connection with the
IGF. <br>
<br>
It is especially so if the IGF can reform itself to be able to
channel multistakeholder inputs purposively into this new policy
making platform (and these three countires have indeed sought such
improvements in the IGF whereas developed countries, along with
many civil society actors from developing countries, have opposed
them).<br>
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i mean, '..... along with many civil society actors from *developed*
(and not developing) countries have opposed them'.<br>
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I completely fail to understand how those who enthusiastically
engage with OECD kind of inter-governmental poliy-making
processes, whose processes of multistakeholder input are patently
much less open and democratic than the above EC-IGF connection
scheme, can be against this kind of policy making system for the
global stage. How do they justify it? I know I have asked this
question of simple democratic equity and fairness several times
but I am yet to get a proper answer to it. I earnestly hope that
those to whom I direct this question will engage with it in the
open discursive spirit that is the hallmark of civil society, and
its principle basis of legitimacy. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Verdana; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Otherwise ECOSOC
adopted without vote all the decisions from its
subsidiary body the CSTD, including “Participation
on non-governmental organizations and civil society
entities not accredited to WSIS in the work of
CSTD”, taking down the last barrier for
participation in the Commission.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Verdana; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">However,
participation in ECOSOC itself is still restricted
to ECOSOC NGOs. But these 4 week long substantive
sessions in July, alternating between NY and Geneva,
are seen by many NGOs/CSOs just as rubberstamping
exercises, apart from the High level segment at the
beginning, and therefore not worth their attendance
(I have a slightly different opinion) , except for
Geneva or NY based entities for sections of their
interest. Jean Louis, this may explain the low
attendance of CSOs. But the relative high attendance
of Governments at least indicates interest in the
issues. NGOs are invited and can also take the floor
on any item.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Verdana"
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Verdana; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Renate<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jean-Louis
FULLSACK<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
jeudi, 28. juillet 2011 10:45<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>;
Philippe Blanchard<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
re: [governance] Meeting report ECOSOC
presentations</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear members of the list <br>
<br>
<br>
Philippe wrote :<br>
< we had the opportunity to have some comments
from the civil society (ISOC- Internet Society ; CCI
– International Chambers of Commerce).><br>
<br>
I'm surprised to find these orgs under a "civil
society label". Some complementary comments are
needed ... especially related to the sentence<br>
< the attendance was fairly high. And that is
definitely a good sign.><br>
<br>
Can we, CS representatives in the WSIS process,
qualify such a "biased attendance" as a good sign ?
For which of our goals ? What I would like to know
is how many true CS delegates attended these
meetings and which organisatiions they represented.
Additionnally it'd be interesting to know how DCs
were represented in these meetings : governement,
regional orgs, CS and private sector. <br>
<br>
Perhaps Philippe -or any other delegate on these
meetings- could provide us these data. Many thanks
in advance.<br>
<br>
Jean-Louis Fullsack<br>
CSDPTT <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">> Message du 27/07/11
10:11<br>
> De : "Philippe Blanchard" <br>
> A : <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
> Copie à : "Renate Bloem (Gmail)" <br>
> Objet : [governance] Meeting report ECOSOC
presentations<br>
> <br>
> Dear All,<br>
> <br>
> please find hereby some notes I took during the
ECOSOC presentations. For reading and archiving
purposes, I enclosed the Word document.<br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Philippe<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Data<br>
> <br>
> Author : Philippe Blanchard<br>
> <br>
> Subject : UN Ecosoc plenary session, reports on
the « World summit on information society » and «
internet governance forum »<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> <br>
> 1. Referential documents<br>
> <br>
> Please refer to the ECOSOC webpages and
especially the internet activity related reports :<br>
> <br>
> • Report of the Secretary-General on progress
made in the implementation of and follow-up to the
outcomes of the World Summit on the Information
Society at the regional and international levels
(A/66/64 – E/2011/77)<br>
> <br>
> • Report of the Working Group on improvements
to the Internet Governance Forum (A/66/67-E/2011/79)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> 2. Points of interest<br>
> <br>
> I will not paraphrase the content of the two
reports and I am just taking the liberty to
highlight some elements of interest.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Strong agreement on some stakes both on the
citizen level (privacy,…) and the economical level
(growth factor, cloud computing…) and on some risks
(fraudulent use ; espionage…). But no mention of key
elements such as “freedom of speech”, “local vs
universal jurisdiction”… I fear those elements are
definitely more controversial and will be/must be
addressed once the e-governance principles have been
set.<br>
> <br>
> · I would personally suggest we work in
parallel the meta-level (e-governance) and the
fields of application. We are bound to proceed in a
co-development scheme rather than a (more
historical) sequential process.<br>
> <br>
> · IGF is definitely the opportunity to address
this.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The principles of stake-holder participation,
multilateral work are clearly understood and (at
least) communicated. After the panelists’s
presentation, we had the opportunity to have some
comments from the civil society (ISOC- Internet
Society ; CCI – International Chambers of Commerce).<br>
> <br>
> · Nicolas SEIDLER, Policy Advisor for ISOC :
for more information on his report. (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:seidler@isoc.org">seidler@isoc.org</a>)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> We were reminded the “sovereignty of States”
(not a surprise) and the “necessity to engage in a
multistakeholders”. IGF role is unanimously
recognized. US representatives praised the
“consultative role” and the fact it was “a
no-decision body” (to ensure leeway and avoid being
struck in some diplomatic vocabulary bargaining).<br>
> <br>
> · However, I would have liked to have some
definition of “internet eco-system”. I am afraid
there is still a misunderstanding about the
existence of a theoretical frontier between IRL (in
real-life) and e-life. Cf some comments, for
instance on “internet is a global facility” from a
State representative (Venezuela, I think)<br>
> <br>
> · Some confusion between “e-governance” and
“internet governance” also appeared in floor
comments, following the reports presentation.<br>
> <br>
> · Some demands to extend IGF role (CUBA) and a
request from the Working group (India, Brasil and
RSA- South Africa) to benefit from a “official
platform”. I am not sure if it was complementary to
IGF or not. This platform would support more
effectively the developing countries actions and
would bring up “processes to enhance collaboration”.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Points of interest (cont’d)<br>
> <br>
> We were told that Key performance indicators
have been agreed upon by the CSTD. I think this is
key and would suggest these are shared and monitored
by all the stake-holders and followers. (but it is
probably my “If you cannot measure it, it is just a
hobby” mindset J ).<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I am afraid network neutrality was only
mentioned once and I hope I wasn’t listening
carefully enough.<br>
> <br>
> · For me this element is definitely key. Yes I
understand both the political and economical stakes…
but it is core.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> We were also told that IGF Executive
Coordinator (Markus Kummer’s previous position)
should be soon filled. No deadlines announced yet.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
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> <br>
> Conclusion<br>
> <br>
> Very interesting and informative session. I
understood the meeting room was slightly more packed
on the previous days, with more politically
sensitive discussions but the attendance was fairly
high. And that is definitely a good sign.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I would like to take the opportunity to thank
twice Mrs Renate BLOEM:<br>
> <br>
> ü she found the way to get me accredited. And I
can swear it was no piece of cake. Despite the
confirmation she had beforehand, she had to spend 30
mn securing my access. My accreditation was issued
at 10:02 for a meeting starting at 10:00.<br>
> <br>
> ü The discussion we had after the session was
really great and she brought challenging food for
thought.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Vielen Danke, Renate, du bist wunderbar.<br>
> <br>
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> On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Renate Bloem
(Gmail) wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Philippe,<br>
> <br>
> I have tried to accredit you under CIVICUS,
hope it is not too late<br>
> BTW, this item will only be dealt with on
Tuesday, 26 July, 10h00-11h030 <br>
> Best<br>
> Renate<br>
> <br>
> Renate Bloem<br>
> Main Representative<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
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On Behalf<br>
> Of Philippe Blanchard<br>
> Sent: vendredi, 22. juillet 2011 11:39<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>;
Roland Perry<br>
> Subject: Re: [governance] ECOSOC<br>
> <br>
> Dear Roland<br>
> <br>
> thank you for the follow-up.<br>
> I have enquired and unfortunately, only the
"usual suspects" :-) can make<br>
> it.<br>
> I discovered that the "International
NON-Olympic Committee" is welcome<br>
> whereas the "International Olympic Commitee",
despite its UN recognition, is<br>
> not !!!<br>
> <br>
> I will follow the outcomes through the net.<br>
> <br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Philippe<br>
> <br>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Roland Perry
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> In message <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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at 11:35:13 on<br>
> Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Philippe Blanchard writes<br>
> <br>
> > Anyone knows the access condition for
public viewing ?<br>
> <br>
> I have a feeling you have to be [a government
or] ECOSOC accredited.<br>
> <br>
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href="http://csonet.org/index.php?menu=113">http://csonet.org/index.php?menu=113</a><br>
> <br>
> Several of the 'usual suspects', here, have
this.<br>
> <br>
> > creditation.pdf><br>
> <br>
> ps. It's the CSTD (in effect an ECOSOC
subgroup) which is still<br>
> admitting "WSIS accredited" people, which in
practice means 'anyone'.<br>
> But you would still have to register for that
[1] in advance.<br>
> <br>
> [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> -- <br>
> Roland Perry<br>
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