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<font face="sans-serif">This case is very much on the lines of the
case of Taipei City government imposing a fine on google (which
spawned an important discussion).<br>
<br>
Do Milton and others who seemed to have great reservation about
appropriateness of Taipie city government's regulatory competence
in that case still think, after reading about the case of
unilateral withdrawal of google service, still think that users of
these services should have no legal recourse with accountable
public governance entity?<br>
<br>
If local or national governments should *not* be the entity that
people should be able to turn to, and these governments should
*not* have the regulatory competence, who should?<br>
<br>
I cannot see how can we have any coherent IG related position and
any meaningful IG related discussion without clearly answering
these questions, or at least strongly engaging with them. these
questions are what really matter.<br>
<br>
It is even more inappropriate for those not to engage with these
questions who live in countries where google is headquartered and
they thus have legal recourse against such actions (even if much
more circuitous and difficult than it should be), or those who
live in places where google's economic interests are so deep that
it readily responds to ad hoc strong signs from the governments.
Is not a rule of law based on democratic principles the most
appropriate response to these problems. To me, this is the most
basic internet governance issue today. We need to know where we
stand vis a vis this all-important question. <br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
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</font>On Thursday 21 July 2011 08:01 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
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<div><span class="458002214-21072011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">Ginger, </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="458002214-21072011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">I don't know any more but below is
what I wrote to a different list where this is being
discussed and where the suggestion was made that Google
might allow a 3rd party intermediary to offer "ombusdman"
services as a recourse...</font></span></div>
<div><span class="458002214-21072011"></span> </div>
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<div><span class="046190614-21072011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">At some point quantity becomes
quality. The fact that Google is dominant (almost a
monopoly) in certain crucial areas, that it is offering
an increasingly seamless integration of crucial services
which is very much a monopoly (no one else can offer
that degree of transparent integration). These in
itself, I think, put Google in a very special position
in the cybersphere. It also presents it with very
special responsibilities and I would argue (and I think
many, including legislators might, once confronted with
a situation such as this one, agree) with very
significant social/public obligations.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="046190614-21072011"></span> </div>
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<div><span class="046190614-21072011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">Identity "theft" is of course a
serious crime, but what about a corporation
"losing/destroying" what is in effect someone's identity
-- by accident, by incompetence, by individual or
corporate malpractice, or even by design but without
recourse or appeal.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="046190614-21072011"></span> </div>
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<div><span class="046190614-21072011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">This case seems to be someone in
the US which makes it rather less complicated than if
they were European for example, in which case it might
be something that the European Parliament or the
Commission might be very interested in taking a look at,
with all the extra-territorial issues involved including
differences in philosophical and practicla approaches to
data and identitymanagement, privacy etc.etc.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="046190614-21072011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">I don't think that this is the
kind of thing that in the medium or longer term where
Google will be able to "outsource" its responsibilty.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="046190614-21072011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">M</font></span></div>
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<b>From:</b> Ginger Paque [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">mailto:gpaque@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; michael gurstein<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Is This An Issue for
Internet Governance/Internet Human Rights?<br>
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I would like to hear more about this case, if someone can find
specifics, or does any follow up on it.<br>
Thanks, Michael, for the link.<br>
<br>
Ginger<br clear="all">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 21 July 2011 09:22, michael gurstein
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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I have no idea of the truth or falsity of what is described
in the below<br>
blogpost but whether or not the specific instance is
accurate/truthful the<br>
overall description which is, I would think, potentially
very real may raise<br>
some very serious issues including from a global internet
governance<br>
perspective.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.twitlonger.com/show/brph8m"
target="_blank">http://www.twitlonger.com/show/brph8m</a><br>
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