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On Sunday 19 June 2011 11:25 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4DFD8F3C.6030509@cavebear.com" type="cite">On
06/18/2011 09:48 PM, parminder wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On a more practical note, Karl makes a
clear case of how the Internet
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has become lumpy and today largely consists of a few mega spaces
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completely owned and run by corporations.
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Actually I didn't say exactly that.
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Fair enough.Though that is what I read between the lines when you
spoke of the lumpy internet. You do however agree that what Is say
is largely the trend, right? <br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4DFD8F3C.6030509@cavebear.com" type="cite">
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(snip)<br>
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Moving away from IPv6:
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Personally, I prefer internet structures that enhance the ability
of individuals to define their own mode and means of
communication.
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<blockquote cite="mid:4DFD8F3C.6030509@cavebear.com" type="cite">
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In addition, I believe that it is useful to try to convince people
to look beyond the baubles of their apps and make them understand
the value, to each of them personally, of preserving end to end
principle. However, the pessimist in me says that people will not
look beyond their baubles and that thus the end-to-end principle
is doomed.
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Moreover I have not seen enough successful examples of benevolent
philosopher kings that I would feel safe irrevocably handing over
my own personal ability to shape my use of the internet to some
body that claims that it defends (and defines) the public benefit.
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A very typical liberal paradox. You have an acute problem at hand,
but you dont know what to do about it, because the only possible way
forward involves deeply political processes. And you are ready to
leave the problem unsolved rather than dilute your ideology.
However, and that is the political economy of the problem, for
others, the net neutrality principle may have much deeper
essentialist implications - on their economic, social, cultural and
political future - and they may not be as ready to give in.<br>
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BTW, though I understand the government-distrust, it is no
philospher king to whom you give power unrevokably, it is the social
democracy model, which is largely responsible for earning and
securing the level of economic/ social as well as civic/ political
freedoms that North American and West European countires transitoned
to from the period of the wars to the last decades of the 20th
century. I have great problem with the elitist ennui with this
political model among some being passed off globally as an
anti-institutionalist/ anti-political philosophy with all its lure,
and the damage it does to the interests of the people in the
geo-political South.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:4DFD8F3C.6030509@cavebear.com" type="cite">
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--karl--
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