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On Thursday 26 May 2011 09:52 PM, Miguel Alcaine wrote:
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cite="mid:BANLkTimeWz-8uakrH4CFn3T9EP0AUe=hBQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Dear Divina,<br>
<br>
I fully support exploring your idea:<br>
<br>
<i>"...Maybe we should declare ourselves as a federation of
associations and groups<br>
welcoming all sorts of members, so that we send the message
across that<br>
there is a critical mass of people seriously thinking about
these issues,<br>
with a certain memory of past events and advances..."</i> <br>
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<br>
That was what the IGC was born as, and was always supposed to be.
However, instead of growing into this role, it may have steadily
slid away from this central identity and role. .. The gap that this
has left is very significant and important to fill. There is an
urgent need for more purposive civil society action in the IG arena
than what we are able to do. <br>
<br>
It is one special feature of the IGC that it supports an open public
list for IG discussions and that it conducts most of its work in
this public space as well. And this feature is very very important,
and cant and shouldnt ever go away. But this feature does not
exhaust the role of the caucus. In fact, the proposition being
forwarded here is that, however important, this is not 'the' primary
and defining aspect of IGC. It was never meant to be that way. The
primary and defining core of the IGC is to be a global civil society
advocacy group - as Divina puts it, as a federation of groups and
association and other members. We should explore how we can grow
towards and in such a role.<br>
<br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
<br>
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cite="mid:BANLkTimeWz-8uakrH4CFn3T9EP0AUe=hBQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><br>
It is important to convey the message about the messenger of this
diverse group conformed by people and organizations genuinely
interested in, thinking on and working on IG issues.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Miguel<br>
<br>
Disclaimer<br>
My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position
of my employer or any other institution<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Divina
MEIGS <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:divina.meigs@orange.fr">divina.meigs@orange.fr</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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padding-left: 1ex;">That's what I mean indeed. It seems we
never had a "convening power" with<br>
business, and I don't think the international chamber of
commerce is enough<br>
representation for that community, in spite of its loyal
presence to IGF...<br>
<br>
We have to think of other ways of engaging with big business,
and it might<br>
be via small businesses (arguably part of civil society in UN
listings). We<br>
should identify their representatives in WIPO and other arenas
and make an<br>
effort to drag them out, person per person...<br>
<br>
We do have to ask ourselves what we want to do as CS caucus. I
was hard put<br>
the last two days claiming any legitimacy for our
constituency, which is<br>
normal but debilitating. Maybe we should turn ourselves into
an association<br>
or ngo of some kind to be able to attend such fora and to make
declarations<br>
on the same standing as isoc or quadrature du net... We have
to be more<br>
incisive and more aggressive even inside the CSTD and ECOSOC
world because<br>
of course we shouldn't allow just the G8 dictate the agenda,
even if comes<br>
from countries that purport to be democratic ...<br>
<br>
Maybe we should declare ourselves as a federation of
associations and groups<br>
welcoming all sorts of members, so that we send the message
across that<br>
there is a critical mass of people seriously thinking about
these issues,<br>
with a certain memory of past events and advances (so as not
to start from<br>
scratch like yesterday where i had the feeling i had to
explain "governance"<br>
and "multistakeholderism" to these top CEOs). Critical mass is
what gets<br>
attention of governements and businesses alike, because it is
attached to<br>
amount of votes and of sales... We have to start appearing as
the global<br>
public opinion on these issues, even if we know we are still
rather<br>
sphericules of opinion, but one has to start. Our colleagues
in the Arab<br>
spring countries could teach us quite a few lessons, in that
way.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Divina<br>
ps: don't get me wrong: i don't think we did badly this time
around in<br>
Paris, and the media coverage is rather favorable to us, but
it clearly was<br>
too much improvised ...<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 26/05/11 13:47, « Roland Perry » <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com">roland@internetpolicyagency.com</a>>
a<br>
écrit :<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> In message <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:CA03EF21.2134A%25divina.meigs@orange.fr">CA03EF21.2134A%divina.meigs@orange.fr</a>>,
at 11:50:57 on Thu,<br>
> 26 May 2011, Divina MEIGS <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:divina.meigs@orange.fr">divina.meigs@orange.fr</a>>
writes<br>
>> It could be an interesting outcome to have a major
endorsement by the G8<br>
>> states of a concerted strategy around the critical
ressources of the<br>
>> internet<br>
><br>
> The post-Okinawa G8 Dotforce meeting I went to (in UK)
was all about<br>
> Development Issues (access, primarily).<br>
><br>
>> it would have to be truly multistakeholder or it
would totally<br>
>> unacceptable ...<br>
><br>
> What G8 has is "convening power", they can easily get a
whole bunch of<br>
> multinational CEOs to the table. The same is true of
the World Economic<br>
> Forum.<br>
><br>
> For whatever reason, the IGF is still has some way to
go in this regard<br>
> - although it got off to a reasonable start in Athens,
the last couple<br>
> of years I've seen a trend for the main sessions to
rely on speakers who<br>
> were "there anyway" (for workshops perhaps), rather
than because they<br>
> wanted to make a special trip to appear.<br>
<br>
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