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<font face="sans-serif">The set of proposals made by Divina requires
serious consideration of the group. </font><br>
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As we speak of IGF 2.0, maybe it is time that we need to look at IGC
2.0 as well.<br>
<br>
Especially important to understand that 'multistkaeholderism' by
itself is not a strong enough agenda for us. In order to be taken
seriously we need to know and present what are we substantially
aiming for.<br>
<br>
I can understand why Le Monde did not find much substance in our
letter. However, if may have bene different if we were clear and
precise on pointing out the inconsistency in the stand of G 8
countries (something which will play out again next week at the CSTD
meeting) when they list global Internet policy issues on G 8 agenda,
but shy away from discussing the same issues at forums where all
countries are present. And then we needed to further point out why
such global democracy in deciding Internet policies is important,
and what it means for the future of the Internet. This would also
have helped us get support of other global civil society group which
have similar problems with G 8's high handed approach to other
global issues.<br>
<br>
Can I propose that coordinators take Divina's proposals up for a
serious discussion on this list.<br>
<br>
The proposal by Katitza to have an *additional* IGC members only
list - where only some very few issue may ever get taken, and every
time with clear justification for doing so - should be addressed
within such a larger IGC reform agenda.<br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
<br>
On Sunday 22 May 2011 01:01 PM, Divina MEIGS wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi
I would like to concur with Wolfgang in the light of my experience at trying
to publicize our statement in the French press, and among leaders and
like-minded NGOs.
The response of the journalists at Le Monde gave me food for thought: they
considered that our statement was not enough "punchy" and that there was no
indication of strategy or of action to take. Basically I got the feeling
from other respondents that we were too soft and that claiming only for
multi-stakeholderism didn't suffice to bring attention to the claims of CS.
We are at a disadvantage with NGOs like the ligue des droits de l'homme for
instance, because they can integrate internet governance in their agenda
with relative ease, and with precise arguments and strategies. Long-standing
NGOs, if properly sensitized, can thus be very powerful in pushing our
issues, though they may not have the acuteness of our entry perspective.
If we want to influence the process more, we may want a two-pronged
strategy:
-influence more the agenda of long-standing constituencies (users,
consumers, researchers) by providing them a rationale for internet
governance (not only multistakeholderism)
-transform our own agenda, with less emphasis on multi-stakeholderism
now that it is more or less recognized (if not implemented) in fora like
OCDE, to focus more on key issues
In both cases, we need to be more incisive among ourselves about what we
want to achieve, what we want to press as a priority and with what other
partners in the world out there. I would plead as this point for a 10 point
"internet governance charter", as a defining tool for pushing strategy and
policy from our perspective in various fora, whether they are policy-shaping
like IGF or policy-making like G8/G20 or OCDE... (i'm not set on 10, by the
way :-))
Best
Divina
Le 20/05/11 15:55, « Kleinwächter, Wolfgang »
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de"><wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de></a> a écrit :
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<pre wrap="">I fully support the "side-event approach" for the case we are not invited.
The proposed Press Release is a good idea. BTW, the multistakeholder concept
gets also full support by the draft OECD principles and th Whitehouse
Statement on the US International Strategy for Cyberspace. However there is
still a lot to do, also in clarifying what "CS" is and what the role of the
stakeholders is if we want to move from lip service to sustainable, inclusive
and transparent actions.
wolfgang
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Von: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> im Auftrag von Constance Bommelaer
Gesendet: Fr 20.05.2011 15:10
An: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; 'Divina MEIGS'
Betreff: RE: [governance] Petition on G8
Thanks, Divina.
In future G8 and G20 forums, it would be nice to hold a side event or simply
participate to a session at the Avignon Forum (side-event to the G20) where
all stakeholders would be invited to participate: civil society, business
and the Internet technical community.
On another note, ISOC, ISOC France, the W3C, the NRO and ICANN are preparing
a common press release for the upcoming eG8 (24-25 May), emphasizing the
WSIS heritage and the importance of a multi-stakeholder approach.
Best regards,
Constance Bommelaer
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>] On Behalf
Of Divina MEIGS
Sent: vendredi 20 mai 2011 14:59
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bommelaer@isoc.org">bommelaer@isoc.org</a>
Subject: Re: [governance] Petition on G8
Dear all
A quick follow-up on our open letter to president Sarkozy:
-it was sent to and acknowledged by the person close to the president in
charge of organizing the event
-it was sent to and acknowldedged by the person at the Foreign affairs
ministry that follows internet governance issues
-it was sent to Agence France Presse
-it has receveid support by Ligue des droits de l'homme
-Le Monde didn't publish it in its "debate" columns though it did
consider it and it is going to report on the e-G8
-it will be debated in two news-programmes on France Culture: "Un jour
sur la toile" (next weekend) and "enjeux internationaux" (30 may)
Please note the proposed action of the French "Quadrature du net" at this
address:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.laquadrature.net/en/eg8-forum-a-smokescreen-for-governmental-cont">http://www.laquadrature.net/en/eg8-forum-a-smokescreen-for-governmental-cont</a>
rol-of-the-net
There is this idea, rapidly discussed with Constance Bommelaer from ISOC, to
do a civil society/technical community event prior to G20 in Cannes ...
Please let us exchange, if you have other contacts or other news of
activities
Best
divina
Le 20/05/11 05:58, « Jeremy Malcolm » <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org"><jeremy@ciroap.org></a> a écrit :
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<pre wrap="">On 19/05/2011, at 10:37 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
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<pre wrap="">People may be interested to add their names to this petition
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.accessnow.org/page/s/g8-protect-the-net">https://www.accessnow.org/page/s/g8-protect-the-net</a>
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Their letter is a fork of ours (and references us).
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