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On Wednesday 11 May 2011 10:37 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4DCAC239.5050606@wzb.eu" type="cite">Sorry, I
was offline most of the day. Marilia said it all in her reply:
<br>
<br>
Despite being more inclusive in terms of geopolitical
representation, I believe G20 does not fulfill the need to the
kind of discussions we are advocating in our statement: open to
all countries on equal footing and genuinely multistakeholder.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I agree it doesnt. <br>
<br>
UN based systems especially with the innovations that WSIS has made
possible (but which have not been allowed to be used appropriately
by strong vested interests) is the most appropriate way to go
forward. But for that we in the civil society should help develop
the whole set of mandated processes in a manner that they can
fulfil the role of democratic and multistakeholder global Internet
policy devleopment. It is civil society's special responsibility to
step up and provide viable models that satisfy the urgent
requirements for global Internet policy regime sin many areas.
Unfortunately, we have been as active in this respect as we owe to
be. Maybe we can now... Incidentally, Marcilia's organisation and
mine are proposing a workshop in Nairobi on institutional gaps in
the global Internet policy structure. parminder <br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4DCAC239.5050606@wzb.eu" type="cite">
<br>
While G20 would be marginally more representative it is not
categorically different from the G8. I wouldn't want them either
to develop Internet policies on our behalf without
consulting/integrating us.
<br>
<br>
jeanette
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On 11.05.2011 11:59, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">And why not the G20? Just curious about
the arguments.
<br>
Meryem
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Le 11 mai 2011 à 11:56, Jeanette Hofmann a écrit :
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi,
<br>
<br>
I think it is too late to change the statement since the
voting has started.
<br>
<br>
I have voted already but would want to withdraw my support for
the statement if we would change it and now suggest that the
G20 is our preferred group to address Internet policies.
<br>
<br>
jeanette
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<br>
On 11.05.2011 11:38, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi all,
<br>
<br>
Sorry, I'm jumping in even later than Bill!
<br>
<br>
I think the statement is OK w.r.t. Bill's comment, precisely
because, as
<br>
Jeremy pointed, it asks for the eG8, and not the G8 itself,
to be open
<br>
to other stakeholders. That doesn't contradict the fact that
the G8 will
<br>
probably adopt at least some kind of declaration, on the
basis of the
<br>
eG8 conclusions.
<br>
<br>
But I would like to suggest an addition, which I think
wouldn't
<br>
radically change the statement and is in line with IGC
positions so far.
<br>
This year and under the French presidency, there's not only
the G8
<br>
Summit (26-27 May in Dauville) but also the G20 Summit (3-4
November in
<br>
Cannes). It's particularly noticeable that the e-thing is
held under the
<br>
G8 and not the G20.
<br>
<br>
Maybe we can add a sentence (related to our statement that "
policies
<br>
framed together by the most powerful nations, quite likely,
will become
<br>
the default global norm", 5th para) stating that Internet
issues should
<br>
have been addressed by the G20 rather than the G8. I think
that, in
<br>
addition, this would certainly be backed by some of the
governments from
<br>
the 12 excluded countries (not to mention those that are not
even part
<br>
of G20). If there are no objection, I'm confident that
Jeremy and Izumi
<br>
could draft a good sentence to express this point.
<br>
<br>
BTW, the website of the French presidency of G8-G20 is at:
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.g20-g8.com">http://www.g20-g8.com</a>, and there's an English version
available.
<br>
<br>
Finally one question: will the statement be submitted to NGO
signatures
<br>
(I mean especially outsite the IGC)?
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
Meryem
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Le 11 mai 2011 à 10:39, William Drake a écrit :
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<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
On May 11, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
The proposed eG8 will not be a negotiating forum, any
more than the
<br>
IGF. In that respect, it is nothing like the G8 meetings
proper. So I
<br>
don't see that there is an inconsistency here.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I had a different impression based on the side events of
past 68
<br>
summits, For example the Okinawa summit released the World
Ec Forum's
<br>
report and recs on the global digital divide (which I
wrote) and the
<br>
main meeting endorsed their thrust and promised cash
(which generally
<br>
failed to materialize). Other summits have made similarly
declarations
<br>
on cybersecurity and whatnot that came in part from
non-IGO adjuncts.
<br>
And the news reportage on this one
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.telecompaper.com/news/internet-g8-to-be-held-in-paris-on-24-25-may">http://www.telecompaper.com/news/internet-g8-to-be-held-in-paris-on-24-25-may</a>
<br>
says The "Internet G8", a conference to be held in Paris
on 24-25 May
<br>
before the official G8 summit in Deauville, has been
conceived t*o
<br>
generate debate and ultimately a set of proposals from
private sector
<br>
stakeholders for the consideration of the eight heads of
government,*
<br>
*
<br>
*
<br>
Maybe our French colleagues can clarify the precise
agenda, but from
<br>
what I'd hear this may be another one of those
international events in
<br>
which Sarko tries to launch some big new initiatives
that's not been
<br>
fully vetted with counterpart countries. In this context,
it'd be
<br>
surprising if there are no recs or declarations of any
sort being
<br>
provided by the private sector heavies he's assembled. And
if so, then
<br>
the IGF is sort of an odd model to say they should follow,
no?
<br>
<br>
Or maybe I'm missing something….
<br>
<br>
Bill
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