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On Monday 09 May 2011 01:19 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
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<title>Re: AW: [governance] Internet G8 meeting</title>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">My only problem with the text is that
it tells them what we think they should do without telling
them why it would be advantageous to do it another way. So its
not likely to draw a great deal of attention.<br>
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<font face="sans-serif">Thanks for your comments, Ian. In general I
have no problem with incorporating your additions, </font>and I
will leave it to others to decide on it. However, I must assert,
with the risk of looking like trying to take the moral high-ground,
that civil society's role is not just to give 'technical' advice to
others, about what is good for them or not. Our basic legitimacy is
moral and representational... Also it is never clear, to 'whom' is
something advantageous or not - to the French President's own
interest, the narrow interests of the French state, of the states of
G * together, advantageous to whom?<br>
<br>
So while an instrumental logic can be used to supplement our
assertions, they should not be primary, and should in any case be
used with great caution. We need to invlvoe all countries and all
stakeholders not because it is advantageous to the principal parties
being addressed here, (which in nay case they can refute by giving
counter logic) but because that is the democratic and right way to
do it. Period. That is what we stand for and struggle for. <br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:C9EDD98C.188E9%25ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
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To this end I would add another paragraph – perhaps after the
“it is also pertinent” paragraph, along the lines of<br>
<br>
<br>
The issues we face with internet governance and internet
developments are global in nature, and adequate solutions to
the problems we face will need to involve all countries, as
well as a wide range of business, civil society and technical
interests. All of these inputs are essential to any sensible
and effective developments in this area,</span></font></blockquote>
Begs the question, sensible and effective for whom ?? Some things
can be quite sensible and effective to, say large incumbent
businesses, or even to narrow economic interests of a particular
nation state perched at a particular place in the global digital
economy chain or network. that does not diminish our right and
effort to seek democratic participation in policy making. Also, I
dont like the terminology of 'solutions' as if there are value- and
interest- neutral solutions waiting to be found by the right
application of expertise in all policy matters. <br>
<br>
For the same reason, I am not in agreement with one of Avri's edits
where the call to adhere to canons or high principles of legitimate
policy making is sought to be replace by best practises in policy
making. This again suggests expertise and information-richness based
policy models, but i think this is much more 'political' than that.<br>
<br>
Just my views, for whatever they are worth :)<br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:C9EDD98C.188E9%25ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"> and we urge a more holistic
involvement of this wide range of key players. Only in this
way will we be able to develop adequate solutions.<br>
<br>
Ian Peter<br>
<hr align="CENTER" size="3" width="95%"><b>From: </b>Jeremy
Malcolm <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>><br>
<b>Organization: </b>Consumers International<br>
<b>Reply-To: </b><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>,
Jeremy Malcolm <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Date: </b>Mon, 09 May 2011 12:29:14 +0800<br>
<b>To: </b><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>,
Avri <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: AW: [governance] Internet G8 meeting<br>
<br>
Thanks Parminder and Avri. Here's a consolidated draft
with Avri's edits.<br>
<br>
Basic courtesy stuff.....<br>
<br>
We understand that the French Presidency of the G8
proposes to hold a G8<br>
Internet meeting, immediately prior to the G8 Summit in
........,with a view<br>
to prepare or influence the agenda for the G8 Summit
regarding key global<br>
Internet issues. We also understand that many heads of
states of G 8<br>
countries are expected to attend this meeting. The
meeting is especially<br>
important since in the past G 8 has set up the global
agenda on many key<br>
issues, especially in the information society arena.<br>
<br>
We are very concerned about the manner in which the G 8
Internet meeting is<br>
being organised which is ignoring current best practice
in public policy making.<br>
It also jettisons the principle of multistakeholder
participation that has evolved<br>
globally, especially in the area of Internet governance.
It appears that the G8<br>
meeting is organized by large Industry with access given
only to industry and<br>
government actors. We have also understood that there is
a linkage between<br>
donations and invitations.<br>
<br>
Big businesses already have a disproportionately large
influence on<br>
government bureaucracies. For governments to sanction a
dedicated meeting<br>
with top G8 leaders and officials to plan the global
agenda for Internet related<br>
policies is inappropriate. What is required is a
discussion that includes civil<br>
society actors, who will bring to the table the concerns
of global public interest<br>
derived from a diversity of people's, of many sections of
society, interests and<br>
concerns.<br>
<br>
It is also pertinent to state here that since the
Internet is essentially a<br>
global phenomenon, policies framed together by the most
powerful nations,<br>
quite likely, will become the default global norm. This
is most true for<br>
architectural and economic issues, while the global
impact on other areas<br>
will also be substantial. It is therefore appropriate
that G 8 countries<br>
engage with the same, and other issues, of Internet
policies at the more<br>
democratic global forums where all countries are present
at an equal<br>
footing. In this connection, there is the World Summit on
the Information<br>
Society mandated set of processes for dealing with
pressing global Internet<br>
related issues. Multistakeholder participation is an
important part of these global<br>
IG related processes. We see the proposed G 8 Interent
meeting a significant<br>
step backwards both for global democracy and for
multistakeholder<br>
participation.<br>
<br>
We therefore request you, and other G 8 leaders, to make
the proposed G 8<br>
Internet meeting genuinely multistakeholder, following
the model of the UN<br>
IGF. We are impressed with the solid support provided by
the G 8 countries<br>
for upholding a multistakeholder model for the IGF. The
strong support that<br>
many of G8 countries, including your own, have shown for
full multistakeholder<br>
participation makes this current decision to limit
discussion to vested interests<br>
of governments' industry partners is baffling and is
unacceptable to many of<br>
the users of the Internet.<br>
<br>
closing and salutations..... <br>
-- <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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