<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Colleagues,<br></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">As the other
discussion thread (Milton, McTim) well outlined, <b>there are two dimensions of
threats to the openness</b>: </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"><span style="">1)<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">governments (censorship) and </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"><span style="">2)<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">business (inappropriate management for business advantage).</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">The former (1)
is more of an issue in developing world, where there are trends of some
governments to misuse the network management for censorship; it is less or no
issue in developed countries (or, is it?).</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">The latter (2)
is a clear issue in developed countries, from where the debate started: most of
the business trends (as well as global services capacities) are coming from
developed countries, and it comes as no surprise. In developing countries,
there is lack of understanding of the issue still, since the primary problems
relate to the infrastructure and pricing, and there is no much space/human
capacity with regulators to follow the advanced business models. Nevertheless, the
business in developing world does have capacity to follow such trends and
introduce managed services, as we have seen in India and elsewhere. </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Regarding
the workshop proposal</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">, I
would suggest that the two dimensions are treated separately, possibly within
different sessions:</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">The former (<i>censorship</i>)
has much to do with freedom of speech and level of democracy in the country; the
practice of network management is used sometimes to reach the goal of censorship.
Regulators are usually not the ones that can help, but rather the governments
only. To me, this is an issue of openness and democracy.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">The latter (<i>business
advantage</i>) is, however, an issue in both developing and developed
countries. It has to do with regulatory environment and awareness of various
consequences – and in developing world it also sometimes has to do with
competition and liberalisation of the market, which is commonly a political
decision. Thus, this discussion is of interest of both developing and developed
countries: while developed ones have more to say on various business models
coming from their world (as they are “trend setters” commonly), the developing
countries have much to say on possible implications having in mind weak
infrastructure and unfair economic models of Internet etc. Thus the “west-driven”
debate on NN has to be transferred to “south” and “east” as well, and discussed
together.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">The IGF workshops
on NN since Hyderabad have helped a lot to clarify what NN means to different
actors, what differences are in various terms, what common ground of agreement
is and what are the opened issues. The much missing component that should be
encouraged now is the reflection of developing countries (business, users and
regulators) on open issues, and a dialogue with leading global business on
forthcoming trends (wireless, managed services) and the impact to both
developed and developing countries access and openness.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Number of
resources</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> collected on NN
since then are available at: <a href="http://www.diplomacy.edu/ig/nn/">http://www.diplomacy.edu/ig/nn/</a></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Please feel
free to suggest more.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">I think the <b>proper
format of the workshop</b> on NN for Nairobi would now be a (big) roundtable instead
of a panel-audience approach. The discussion (and understanding, at least among
IGF participating parties) have grown since Hyderabad and there are many actors
that would have an equal meaningful say (neutrality of the panel :o) </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Regarding
the capacity building</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">, I
agree with Fouad there is a great need for capacity building with regulators in
developing countries on NN. Diplo has introduced NN chapter within its annual online
capacity building programme, and will put more focus on it within its advanced
online programmes starting in June. We also deliver a session on NN within
every training workshop for higher level officials of developing countries we
do (as we did now for AU, UNECA and NEPAD under our ACP programme supported by
EC, or previously with NTRA of Egypt, even for Council of Europe). The
experience shows it is firstly needed to analyse and explain well the way the
Internet works, the layers, infrastructure and business models, in order to
dive deeper into the issue of management and unfair practices. It is not
simple, it takes time, and commonly it is not a top issue of concern by the
policy makers. </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">I would be
happy to hear what other initiatives in capacity building on NN are, and how we
can further enhance the outreach to the regulators and officials of developing
countries.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"><span style=""> </span>Vlada</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 April 2011 18:26, Jean-Louis FULLSACK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlfullsack@orange.fr">jlfullsack@orange.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear members of the list<br><br>Network neutrality was very high on the agenda of the list some time ago and it would be interesting to have a retro-look on the rich exchanges that took place at that time.<br><br>More concretely,I fully agree Fouad's proposal for a better balance of perspectives. The US reference isn't universally valid for a lot of reasons and even lesser in DCs. Therefore inputs from emerging countries (Brazil, India? ...) are far more appropriate to the debate.<br>
May be that some interesting ideas and general concepts are to be found in the work undertaken under the auspices of the Council of Europe. Please see the attached document as one example for "dealing with NN".<br>
<br>Best regards<br><br>Jean-Louis Fullsack<br>CSDPTT France<br><br> <br> <br> <br><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: 2px solid rgb(255, 0, 0);">> Message du 15/04/11 14:57<br>> De : "Fouad Bajwa" <br>
> A : "Ivar A. M. Hartmann" <br>> Copie à : <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>> Objet : Re: On NN workshop RE: Re: [governance] Three IGC workshops ) NN FYI DIPLO<div class="im">
<br>> <br>> I would propose to have a balance of perspectives then. If there was<br>> one member from each, say one from the FCC, one from Corporations or<br>> like Vint Cerf and Milton Mueller from Civil Society from the US and<br>
> then on the developing country bench, one from the Brazilian Govt, one<br>> from Corporate Sector in Africa and Parminder from IGC, then we would<br>> have a strong debate and equal contribution. I would then propose<br>
> going for a super workshop of 3 hours straight so that the<br>> participants can also have two minutes.<br>> <br>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann<br></div><div class="im">> wrote:<br>
> > Fouad,<br>> > how about using whatever knowledge and experience on NN that is available in<br>> > the US to improve the discussion on what NN means in developing countries?<br>> > What if one or two NN experts from the US exposed the context and important<br>
> > details of the issue in their country to another two panelists from<br>> > developing countries who then pitch in and comment on what aspects of NN are<br>> > indeed relevant for developing countries. And then everyone - and hopefully<br>
> > (active) workshop participants from developing countries - will take the<br>> > discussion on from there.<br>> > This way the workgroup can benefit from this experience and knowledge while<br>> > also preventing the debate from being steered by a developed-country<br>
> > interest on the subject.<br>> > I do think we can meet in the middle on this.<br>> > Best, Ivar<br>> ><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 04:42, Fouad Bajwa wrote:<br>
> >><br>> >> Typo:<br>> >><br>> >> sorry, the last paragraph had a typo: can has to be read as can't as<br>> >> follows:<br>> >><br>> >> "Secondly, my generation comes in with a different perspective and it<br>
> >> can't be changed or improved by failed perceptions"<br>> >><br>> >> -- Fouad<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> ____________________________________________________________<br>
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