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<font face="sans-serif">Milton, <br>
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I am responding to old email from you, but since there are
questions directly addressed to me, I must answer.<br>
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On Saturday 26 March 2011 08:04 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">When did
you become such an adherent of the ideology of
“stakeholderism”? I thought you were healthily critical of
it. </span></p>
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I remain healthily critical of it.<br>
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If you see below in my email, I am careful with my language :)<br>
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<blockquote>"It is an *<b>officially stated position</b>*,
especially in various MAG reforms discussions, that selection is
stakeholder group based."<br>
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And when I am speaking for myself, I directly move into talking
about representation, speak more circumspectly of " stakeholder
group or constituency basis of membership of the MAG.....". I can
understand stakeholder groups as some form constituencies, in the
political sense, but not otherwise. <br>
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On the other hand, the reason that my email would have appeared to
you as uncritical support for MS-ism is that if I have healthy
suspicion of MSism, I have an absolute horror of the post-mod
thinking (fantasy was the word I used) of each of us representing
ourselves and ourselves alone at various political forums. While
prima facie it looks most democratic, in actual practice, such a
thinking can be even more harmful for representative democracy than
under-theorized and fashionable MS-ist innovations. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">One of
the key problems with MSism is that there are no clear
boundaries between stakeholder groups, esp in civil society,
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Yes, there are considerable 'boundary problems'. In fact on a larger
level I can see only two kinds of representation - formal, through
government kind of systems, and informal and open, through civil
society grouping. To the extent real people involved in business are
concerned, they too get represented by groups, like trade
associations, that to me can be part of civil society mechanisms.
Here what you call as boundaries within civil society become
significant issues, and need contextual resolutions. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">and the
process of selecting “representatives” of such groups is
fraught with opportunities for manipulation. The claim, for
example, that marginalized people in developing countries
are represented by their governments, whose policies are
often the cause of their lack of resources and
marginalization, needs to be questioned. </span></p>
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That the whole idea of 'deepening democracy', and using, and
innovating about, civil society based representational means besides
those through governments. <br>
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Parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is an officially stated position,
especially in varoius MAG reforms discussions, that
selection is stakeholder group based. The current discussion
here in the WG on IGF improvements is on increasing
'representation' of under represented groups, including
developing countries. In this context, contesting
stakeholder group or constituency basis of membership of the
MAG makes a discussion on improving representation of
marginalized group quite meaningless. That is my problem,
coming from being situated in the middle of such a
discussion here in the WG, which triggered my response. I am
sorry that the term offended you. It was used in the sense
of a 'good imagined thing that doesnt happen in reality' and
not meant specifically for what you said but for the general
'just representing oneself' proposition often made in this
kind of a discussion.<br>
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Parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">jeanette <br>
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The member list is here: <br>
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jeanette <br>
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and the division between developing and developed <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">countries? <br>
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That would be much appreciated <br>
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Marilia <br>
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Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade <br>
FGV Direito Rio <br>
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Center for Technology and Society <br>
Getulio Vargas Foundation <br>
Rio de Janeiro - Brazil <o:p></o:p></p>
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