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<DIV><SPAN class=345344314-26032011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>If
there were clearer structures of accountability within CS then it would be a lot
easier to find/advocate ways for broadening the basis for participation to
include under-represented groups... So long as CS is an amorphous group without
clear external linkages for accountability purposes that makes linking into
various grassroots groups for example, rather more difficult since who is to
link with who and on what basis.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=345344314-26032011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>Certain governments will represent certain interests at certain
times, and agreeing with Milton that there is no reason to assume that
governments are anymore reptesentative of their marginalized groups than anyone
else except that in democratic systems the marginalized do have a voice which on
occasion translates itself into policy including in relatively more esoteric
areas such as IG. A CS which is serious about ensuring voice for marginalized
groups would be actively seeking out allies among sympathetic governments and
equally using their linkages with these groups in particular countries to lobby
for appropriate policy positions on the part of those governments in IG
circles.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=345344314-26032011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>The
case of Brazil (where I happen to be at the moment and in whose issues around
the Internet I am currently immersed) would seem to be the ideal exemplar of the
value of CS being more clear in its accountability structures and having
stronger links into local CS.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=345344314-26032011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>Mike</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=345344314-26032011> </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Milton L Mueller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:34
AM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org; parminder<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[governance] Help from MAG colleagues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">When did
you become such an adherent of the ideology of “stakeholderism”? I thought you
were healthily critical of it. One of the key problems with MSism is that
there are no clear boundaries between stakeholder groups, esp in civil
society, and the process of selecting “representatives” of such groups is
fraught with opportunities for manipulation. The claim, for example, that
marginalized people in developing countries are represented by their
governments, whose policies are often the cause of their lack of resources and
marginalization, needs to be questioned. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>It is an officially stated position, especially in varoius
MAG reforms discussions, that selection is stakeholder group based. The
current discussion here in the WG on IGF improvements is on increasing
'representation' of under represented groups, including developing countries.
In this context, contesting stakeholder group or constituency basis of
membership of the MAG makes a discussion on improving representation of
marginalized group quite meaningless. That is my problem, coming from being
situated in the middle of such a discussion here in the WG, which triggered my
response. I am sorry that the term offended you. It was used in the sense of a
'good imagined thing that doesnt happen in reality' and not meant specifically
for what you said but for the general 'just representing oneself' proposition
often made in this kind of a discussion.<BR><BR>Parminder
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<P class=MsoNormal>jeanette <BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>The member list is here: <BR><BR><A
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/406-mag-2010">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/406-mag-2010</A>
<BR><BR>jeanette <BR><BR><BR>and the division between developing and
developed <BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>countries? <BR><BR>That would be much appreciated
<BR><BR>Marilia <BR>-- <BR>Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade <BR>FGV Direito
Rio <BR><BR>Center for Technology and Society <BR>Getulio Vargas Foundation
<BR>Rio de Janeiro - Brazil <o:p></o:p></P>
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