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<div>I'm hoping that my note didn't discourage you. I think what you are proposing is very important... One of the things that I realized in our earlier discussions was how completely unprepared we are in Vancouver in these areas and anything that could stimulate some work/thinking/planning on ICT prep now would I'm quite sure save multiple lives if/when we have a major occurrence in Vancouver, which as you perhaps know sits adjacent to some quite active volcanic fault lines.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Izumi AIZU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">At this point, I am sort of backing off, I mean the level of discussion now<br>ongoing is not conducive to bring in new points without having good amount<br>
of time left.<br><br>We could a) propose to form a workshop around this subject, and also<br>b) make comments after the CSTD WG report is published, with May<br>open consultation in mind.<br><br>I also see there are different aspects between developing and developed<br>
countries, BUT, in Japan, some of the areas most severely damaged<br>are far less developed parts of the country, something in common<br>with developing countries, at least to some degree.<br>That's why I put<br>"the developing parts of the globe and the people" instead of<br>
"developing countries".<br><br>But in any case thanks a lot for your support and considerations.<br><br>izumi<br><br><br>2011/3/25 michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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<div class="h5">> One observation that I'ld to make, based on the earlier discussions re:<br>> Japan with Izumi and all is that if/when a disaster occurs in a Developed<br>> Country it will have significantly different impacts and also require<br>
> significantly different responses (particularly in ICT areas) from those<br>> that have (now) been developed for LDC's. I'm going into this in some more<br>> detail in the blogpost I'll be trying to get out later today but I think<br>
> this distinction should be noted and will likely have ripple effects into<br>> the role/response of Internet Governance as well.<br>><br>> M<br>><br>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Lee W McKnight <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>> Hey you're there, we're remote kibbitzers, so up to you how to play.<br>>><br>>> But you are talking about a specific category of issues...ie Internet<br>>> governance in- crises? Natural disasters? Which is distinct from - day to<br>
>> day Internet governance.<br>>><br>>> And major aspect in those contexts is - coordination, or lack thereof,<br>>> across civil society, business and government, albeit tech community and<br>>> civil society are doing things...like the crisis commons example.<br>
>><br>>><br>>> ________________________________________<br>>> From: <a href="mailto:izumiaizu@gmail.com">izumiaizu@gmail.com</a> [<a href="mailto:izumiaizu@gmail.com">izumiaizu@gmail.com</a>] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU<br>
>> [<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>]<br>>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:32 AM<br>>> To: Lee W McKnight<br>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro; Jeanette<br>
>> Hofmann; Anriette Esterhuysen<br>>> Subject: Re: [governance] my humble proposal to add one para<br>>><br>>> I am having difficulty in putting this into the context of the draft<br>>> proposal.<br>
>> Most languages are rather general, not quite specific, ie to "disaster",<br>>> and thus putting examples such as "critical commons" though I am tempted<br>>> to suggest, may also look inappropriate.<br>
>><br>>> Let me see how the current discussion, finally starting to discuss para by<br>>> para<br>>> of the draft with less than 3 hours left.<br>>><br>>> izumi<br>>><br>>> 2011/3/25 Lee W McKnight <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>>:<br>
>> > Izumi, if you think it might help to point to a specific civil society<br>>> > project as an example..and I am not affiliated just suggesting - maybe point<br>>> > to 'crisis commons.'<br>
>> ><br>>> > Lee<br>>> > ________________________________________<br>>> > From: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> [<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
>> > Izumi AIZU [<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>]<br>>> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:11 AM<br>>> > To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
>> > Cc: Jeanette Hofmann; Anriette Esterhuysen<br>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] my humble proposal to add one para<br>>> ><br>>> > yes, thanks for the reminder, Jeanette, I remember that session<br>
>> > including<br>>> > the successful support of ccTLD from outside.<br>>> ><br>>> > And thanks for other comments, I will try to modify the words to<br>>> > reflect them.<br>>> ><br>
>> > izumi<br>>> ><br>>> > 2011/3/25 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>>> > <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>:<br>>> >> Thanks Jeanette.<br>
>> >><br>>> >> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Jeanette Hofmann <<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu">jeanette@wzb.eu</a>><br>>> >> wrote:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Just as a reminder, the main session on critical internet resources in<br>
>> >>> Vilnius did address this issue. We talked about Haiti and its<br>>> >>> repercussions<br>>> >>> for infrastructure recovery. Some civil society people - I won't<br>>> >>> mention<br>
>> >>> names - regarded this issue on the agenda as an attempt to water down<br>>> >>> or<br>>> >>> sidestep the actual political issues.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> jeanette<br>
>> >>><br>>> >>> On 25.03.2011 11:04, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>> What about using disasters, and how policy processes should respond<br>
>> >>>> to<br>>> >>>> this, as one of the examples of 'policy questions' to be discussed at<br>>> >>>> the IGF in the proposals on clearer outcomes? Then you can mention<br>
>> >>>> the<br>>> >>>> specific recent disasters as examples.<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>> Anriette<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>>> >>>> On 25/03/11 11:56, Izumi AIZU wrote:<br>>> >>>>><br>>> >>>>> I am not sure if this falls within the scope of CSTD WG, but I<br>
>> >>>>> cannot<br>>> >>>>> help propose to add something like the following words:<br>>> >>>>><br>>> >>>>> What do you guys think?<br>>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> ---<br>>> >>>>> In view of the tragedic earthquake in Haiti in 2010 and the recent<br>>> >>>>> earthquake<br>>> >>>>> and Tsunami occurred in Japan, inter alia, the members of the<br>
>> >>>>> Working<br>>> >>>>> Group<br>>> >>>>> recommend that future IGF should address the role of Internet and<br>>> >>>>> its<br>>> >>>>> governance<br>
>> >>>>> against natural and man-made disasters as one of the emerging<br>>> >>>>> issues,<br>>> >>>>> taking<br>>> >>>>> account the paragraph 72 (g) emerging issues and paragraph 91 (on<br>
>> >>>>> disaster<br>>> >>>>> reduction, sustainable development and poverty eradication) of the<br>>> >>>>> Tunis<br>>> >>>>> Agenda .<br>
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