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<DIV>Even me , I got some travel troubles but tried to follow the meeting remotely . I find anyways the yesterday and today meetings very fruitfully promising...It seems there is some changes ( eg:the presence of chairs'advisers,.. ) on the structure the meeting is being held . The Secretariat asked 15' for MAG members before the PM meeting, and hope they will fix and give consideration of the wellness of the meeting. </DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>Jean-Yves G.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>--- En date de : <B>Jeu 24.2.11, Katitza Rodriguez <I><katitza@eff.org></I></B> a écrit :<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>De: Katitza Rodriguez <katitza@eff.org><BR>Objet: Re: [governance] MAG meeting<BR>À: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp><BR>Date: Jeudi 24 février 2011, 12h41<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv1015566555plainMail>Hi there,<BR><BR>I am joining the meeting remotely after lunch. I have been flying back<BR>from Strasbourg to SF in an airplane, and I wasn't able to join the<BR>conference remotely. I am now coordinating with Seitti and I am able to<BR>make the point. <BR><BR>FYI: It was not clear that a MAG meeting was going to be held. I made<BR>other commitments and I wasn't able to work around funding and work<BR>commitments once the informal MAG meeting was announced. Katitza<BR><BR><BR>On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:33:27 +0900, Adam Peake <<A href="http://fr.mc278.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ajp@glocom.ac.jp" rel=nofollow target=_blank>ajp@glocom.ac.jp</A>><BR>wrote:<BR>> Parminder, there is no chair, how can there be chair's advisors? Not<BR>> everything is about you, relax please.<BR>> <BR>> We should be in an open MAG meeting. The first time the MAG met<BR>> without its mandate being renewed was
3 or 4 years ago (I was still<BR>> a member, or "non-member" depending on how we can confusingly refer to<BR>> the title :-)) and I remember all in the room were able to speak. You<BR>> were there and you spoke and it was an important precedent for the<BR>> evolution of the MAG and process. That openness is what we should be<BR>> enjoying this morning. That we are not is a problem, the process has<BR>> moved back to how we started in 2005.<BR>> <BR>> Adam<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, <<A href="http://fr.mc278.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=parminder@itforchange.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank>parminder@itforchange.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>> When the MAG assembled in the morning today, the secretariat asked MAG<BR>>> members to sit in the middle and observers on the sides, so that they knew<BR>>> who is who.<BR>>><BR>>> Normally, MAG members have
been liberally interpreted to include Special<BR>>> Advisors. And special advisors have till now largely meant that there were<BR>>> a few more civil society members in the room. At this point, Adam<BR>>> pointedly asked the status of Special Advisors in regard of who sits<BR>>> where, which was obviously to be connected to speaking rights during the<BR>>> meeting. The secretariat, in the form of Chengetai, answered that since<BR>>> there is no chair there are no advisors to the chair. Which may be a<BR>>> little unsure interpretation. In fact there is even no MAG today, as even<BR>>> Chris Disspain said during the meeting without being challenged by the<BR>>> secretariat or the chair. Things are rather informal. BTW, Chair advisors<BR>>> are like all other positions attached to a position not a person, in the<BR>>> same way that MAG may not disappear simply if for some reason the
UN<BR>>> secretary general remits his position suddenly. These kind of things can<BR>>> be very disruptive and that is why things continue till alternative<BR>>> arrangements are made. So, in the same way, since there was some kind of<BR>>> chair-ship of today's meeting, there would informally continue to the<BR>>> special advisors doing the same role as earlier. As i said, everything is<BR>>> more than a bit fuzzy and a bit informal at present.<BR>>><BR>>> So, Adam, I really do not understand what made you put Hartmut, Wolfgang<BR>>> and me (and Jovan if he is to come in) out of circulation during the<BR>>> meeting today. Any specific reason or strategy behind it? I understand<BR>>> that all these are political events and situations, and our responses are<BR>>> always political (and not just 'technical) and contextual. So I was<BR>>> wondering what prompted you to do what you
did (esp when some of IGC<BR>>> members have actually been seeking that CSTD WGIGF should allow CS reps<BR>>> also to take in advisors, basically the effort is to get into the room and<BR>>> participate in all ways one can)<BR>>><BR>>> I dont mind it too much though personally:). Kind of used to it. Happens<BR>>> in political work but one knows that this kind of thing goes with a civil<BR>>> society advocacy role.. Just in the last meeting I was told by Markus that<BR>>> this was primarily a discussion among MAG members, and therefore , well,<BR>>> to be blunt, to basically shut up. I may remind you, Adam, and others in<BR>>> the IGC, that before I accepted the Advisor's position, I wrote to Nitin<BR>>> and Markus giving my understanding of the Advisor role, which including<BR>>> speaking up, and I was specifically told that my understanding was right.<BR>>> I did
share my letter, and also if I remember right, Markus's response to<BR>>> my letter, with the IGC, since at that time I was IGC co-coordinator,<BR>>> before I accepted the position. I have also, at least once, been told off<BR>>> by a technical community MAG member on the MAG list that it is MAG members<BR>>> views that count (and by implication special advisor's doesnt).<BR>>><BR>>> But I wasnt expecting a CS member to do something like this, in a context<BR>>> where he clearly knew the exact and specific outcomes - that three or four<BR>>> of the very few CS members in the room will not be able to speak in the<BR>>> MAG meeting. Any explanations, Adam?<BR>>><BR>>> Parminder<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ____________________________________________________________<BR>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>>> <A
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