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Hi Avri<br>
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On Friday 18 February 2011 11:49 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
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They are quite careful to explain that the required consensus, only requires one country to voice the objection and other countries to keep their silence.
And in the collegiality of the GAc, we can expect that most representatives will keep their silence so that others will keep their silence when they object.
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</i>I understand there are problems. But in relation to the
collegiality among gov reps, the collegiality of all those who
represents the political interests of big business is many many
times more, and so much more solid, and sticky. <br>
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The GAC does not vote, it mostly just goes along silently behind the lead of a few leaders. So it is questionable what one could take to court on a national basis
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Both acts of omission and commission are liable to be challenged if
the rights of a citizen are affected. And not exercising the right
to veto an objection is a clear act of omission, if there ever was
one. In any case, with democratic governments there are at least
some avenues of checks and balances on which we can work, while one
can keep seeking further improvements.<br>
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As for your comments on the ICC Center of Expertise, that is another problem and many of us agree with you, but the two problems do not cancel each other out.
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They dont. And in real world which presents real choices, we have to
begin with one of the two problem situations. I choose governments
over big business. With governments there are ways to work on
improvements - as is happening on such a big scale in the middle
east, which will no doubt also have a big influence, eventually, on
global governance. With big business the logic is simply of profit
and accumulation. That is what all economists and business schools
also tell us. What is my avenue of seeking accountability from it?
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And yeah, we know you are not enamored of big business.
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Nothing against big business it they stick to what they are supposed
to do - organize our productive forces more effectively. The problem
comes when they want to corner political power as well (which
includes distributional issues), which is what often happens in IG
arena, evne more than everywhere else. And IMHO the IG civil society
has been rather lacking in recognizing and addressing this key
global IG issue.<br>
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Parminder<br>
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someone who signed the petition
On 18 Feb 2011, at 00:36, parminder wrote:
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Excuse my ignorance about complicated ICANN issues. I am still only trying to understand the issue but...
Do you think an objection that needs to be supported by *a full consensus in the GAC* is really 'putting GAC in charge of domain name policy. How easy is it to get a consensus among all governments. In fact pursuant to any such consensus it is at present 'legal' to militarily raid and takeover any country. But that really doesn't happen that often, right.
Moreover, how does it compare with the present practice where any adjudication regarding 'public interest' issues involved in domain name policy is done by a body of the International Chambers of Commerce. Interestingly, this body of ICC - the ICC International Centre of Expertise - on its website claims expertise in 'every conceivable subject relevant to business operations'. Business operations?? Public interest ?? Am I missing something here.
Furthermore, any vote of any country (say, the US) in the GAC on a public interest issue, since its implication will also be produced within that country, should be able to be challenged in the national courts vis a vis its compliance to constitutional and subordinate law.
As you would have surmised, I am not too enamored of global political power being exercised by big business, and between that and legitimate political systems, will prefer to work with the latter, and seek reforms to them.
And, Milton, if a legitimate transnational political system has to be sought, placing big business in a central position is hardly the right way to go about it. It is best sought as an evolution from existing representative systems.
Parminder
On Friday 18 February 2011 01:13 PM, Norbert Klein wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I am seeking support for this online petition, which some of us will carry into the IGF Geneva consultation and then the Brussels ICANN meeting. It relates to the U.S. Commerce Department's efforts to put the GAC (Governmental Advisory Committee) in charge of domain name policy.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/nogacveto">http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/nogacveto</a>
Please sign it if you agree! And redistribute the link widely if you can!
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<pre wrap="">Already done.
Norbert Klein
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