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Avri,<br>
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Could you please point me to the "sad phenomenon" / "sad story" you
refer to below. I have not seen anything that presents the existence
of controversy about IPv6. If there's nothing currently out there,
some type of de-teching would seem to be in order, perhaps by some
on this list.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
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On 2/2/2011 5:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
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Unless of course the powers that be decide to allow a open market for aIPv4 addresses instead of forcing people to use a grey or black market.
I find this forced ending of IPv4 to get a protocol that could not succeed on its own to be used, a sad phenomenon. I participated in the IETF all the way from its selection, through the many scare tactics and failures up until this campaign and I still see this as a sad story.
I think the purveyors of IPv6 may eventually succeed at getting us all to use it (though I still would not bet on it), but the history of IPv6 to date, beginning to end, is just pathtetic.
a.
On 2 Feb 2011, at 16:39, Lee W McKnight wrote:
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IPv4 is history...
Lee
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From: Dave Farber [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 3:06 AM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] Fwd: IPv4 Address Exhaustion Milestone & Comcast Starts DOCSIS IPv6 Trial
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From: "Livingood, Jason" <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com">Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com"><mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com></a>>
Date: February 1, 2011 9:43:53 AM EST
To: Dave Farber <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@farber.net"><mailto:dave@farber.net></a>>
Subject: IPv4 Address Exhaustion Milestone & Comcast Starts DOCSIS IPv6 Trial
Dave – For IP if you wish.
A major milestone in the draw down of IPv4 addresses has occurred. APNIC's recent allocations mean that the final five address block now go to each RIR, one to each.
See:
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207498/Address_allocation_kicks_off_IPv4_endgame"><http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207498/Address_allocation_kicks_off_IPv4_endgame></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207498/Address_allocation_kicks_off_IPv4_endgame">http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207498/Address_allocation_kicks_off_IPv4_endgame</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/world-ipv4-stocks-finally-run-out-19674"><http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/world-ipv4-stocks-finally-run-out-19674></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/world-ipv4-stocks-finally-run-out-19674">http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/world-ipv4-stocks-finally-run-out-19674</a>
Also, yesterday we at Comcast announced that we've started native dual stack production trials on our DOCSIS network (native IPv4 and IPv6), the first DOCSIS network in North America to do so. The trial will soon expand beyond Colorado and each user receives a /64 allocation of roughly 18 quintillion IPv6 addresses. (A bit of an improvement over one IPv4 address I dare say!)
See <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://blog.comcast.com/2011/01/comcast-activates-first-users-with-ipv6-native-dual-stack-over-docsis.html"><http://blog.comcast.com/2011/01/comcast-activates-first-users-with-ipv6-native-dual-stack-over-docsis.html></a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.comcast.com/2011/01/comcast-activates-first-users-with-ipv6-native-dual-stack-over-docsis.html">http://blog.comcast.com/2011/01/comcast-activates-first-users-with-ipv6-native-dual-stack-over-docsis.html</a>
Regards
Jason Livingood
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