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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=294260519-28012011>The problem
Yrjo, is that in the absence of something as a positive output of the IGF then
things are left more or less as they are, as the default.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=294260519-28012011></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=294260519-28012011>If we are
comfortable/satisfied with the status quo (however we perceive the status quo),
that isn't a problem. If we aren't satisfied with the status quo then there is a
perceived need to work through the process of having the status quo articulated
and then responded to so as to move the situation forward.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=294260519-28012011></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN
class=294260519-28012011>Mike</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
governance-request@lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Yrjö Länsipuro<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2011
10:23 AM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[governance] CSTD IX. Conclusions and recommendations<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Dear
all,
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<DIV>Over the years, the view has been expressed time and again that the
main outcomes of the IGF are those impressions, new ideas and conclusions
carried home by its individual participants, to be used by them as input on
whatever other internet-related fora (decision-making or not) they are
active.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I subscribe to this view. These thousands of individual outcomes
are much more effective than a piece of paper, painfully negotiated before and
and during the event, that nobody will read but that will be a
proof that IGF achieved "results", for those bureaucrats and politicians
who need something to put <I>ad actam</I>.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>At the same time, it does not hurt to try to go a step further achieving
conclusions at workshops and "messages" (as proposed by Wolfgang)
from the IGF itself. But these efforts should not take time from the main
purpose of the IGF. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Yrjö</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>> From: nb@bollow.ch<BR>> To:
governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:45:26
+0100<BR>> Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD IX. Conclusions and
recommendations<BR>> <BR>> Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@wzb.eu>
wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > I have tried to argue for more outcome oriented
workshops. They should <BR>> > define some form of a goal in their
workshop proposal. Alas, outcome <BR>> > orientation is a cultural issue
as well. Many people in the <BR>> > international sphere tend to think
in procedural terms. Perhaps we are <BR>> > just a bit demanding in this
respect?<BR>> <BR>> I think that it well-justified and quite necessary
to be justly "a bit<BR>> demanding in this respect".<BR>> <BR>> For
some activity to be meaningful, it will quite generally need to<BR>> have
some kind of output that becomes input for something else. Of<BR>> course,
some of the potential results from discussions are of a kind<BR>> that is
not compatible with the idea of recording them in some kind<BR>> of formal
"output" document, and that does not make those kinds of<BR>> informal
outputs any less valuable.<BR>> <BR>> Greetings,<BR>> Norbert<BR>>
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