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A short comment on this: We need to make sure that workshops are
truly multi-stakeholder and include the voice of civil society on
it. I did mentioned that in previous MAG meetings (and some business
sector did in fact include civil society in their workshops after
our discussion). However, it was not the case in all workshops. You
also need several people from civil society monitoring the different
workshops proposals classified by different themes, so you can
identify a workshop that does not include all voices. <br>
<br>
Indeed, this suggestion of reviewing "workshop proposals to make
sure they meet quality, time constraints, and other organizational
factors" was made but unfortunately, many people do this in the last
minutes and many changes are held in the last minute, which I think
is a bit annoying. Especially if you bring new people to IGF, it
seems IGF is not well organized since people still changing things
at the last minute.. (a little chaotic) ;-) and outsiders just dont
understand the chaotic dynamics. <br>
<br>
my two cents, <br>
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On 1/26/11 1:24 PM, Ginger Paque wrote:
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<font face="Arial">Marilia</font>: 'Totally agree, Graciela.
Sometimes it seems that workshop organizers are doing a favor in
organizing workshops, therefore they should not be let down and
face the refusal of their workshop proposals.'<br>
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Ginger says: Marilia, I agree that we should recognize that
workshop organizers do a lot of hard work as volunteers. However,
this fact should be separated from the fact that workshop
proposals should be reviewed to make sure they meet quality, time
constraints, and other organizational factors. And of course
merging of workshops should be carefully considered and only done
when appropriate.<br>
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I think these are two separate issues, both of which merit
attention. Thanks for all your work.<br>
Ginger<br>
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On 1/26/2011 3:13 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTi=q2qwyb3mZFOPqEDYxwwkEfTUJpLFTF+q6afO2@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Totally agree, Graciela. Sometimes it seems that
workshop organizers are doing a favor in organizing workshops,
therefore they should not be let down and face the refusal of
their workshop proposals. This has led to the merge of workshops
that had very little in common and ended up with ten, twelve
spekers that could talk during 5 minutes. This is totally
contraproducive.<br>
<br>
There is no favor in organizing workshops. It is an opportunity
to promote meaningful debate, that should be enough. It is also
a responsibility, and workshop organizers need to be efficient
and accountable.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Marília<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:35 PM,
Graciela Selaimen <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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padding-left: 1ex;"> Thanks for the feedback, Jeannette. I
wasn't in Vilnius, unfortunately.<br>
Your comment on the disappointment with the workshops'
reports makes me think that it's important to reflect not
only how workshops are organized but also why they are held.
Perhaps it's time to think of a way to give more meaning to
workshops in the IGF and to expect more commitment from
workshop organizers in formulating concrete messages as an
outcome of these events - not only formal, bureaucratic
reports.<br>
<br>
graciela<br>
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Em 1/26/11 3:51 PM, Jeanette Hofmann escreveu:
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Am 26.01.2011 13:18, schrieb Graciela Selaimen:<br>
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204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi, Wolfganfg and all,<br>
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I am aware that this will trigger a debate about
the nomination of<br>
chairs or rapporteurs. However the message from a
workshop could be<br>
"one group says so and the other group says so".
The message in this<br>
case would be: This is an important issue, but
there is no agreement.<br>
And if you have 60 workshops you would have 60
rapporteurs (with about<br>
150 messages) which guarantees to a certain degree
diversity and a<br>
fair reflection of all positions.<br>
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This is why I think it would be interesting to have
the workshops in the<br>
two first days of the meeting. Their messages could
be the main input<br>
for the plenary sessions; the moderators of the main
sessions would have<br>
to work together with rapporteurs of the workshops
in order to focus the<br>
sessions on the presentation and discussion of the
messages and this<br>
would make these sessions really linked to the
workshops - something<br>
that we've been highlighting as desirable for
years...<br>
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That is exactly what we did at the Vilnius meeting.
For critical Internet resources, workshops were
scheduled for the first day so that they would take
place before the main session. Personally, I didn't
find the result convincing. So far, our experience
with reporting from workshop have been somewhat
disappointing. I don't know exactly why. Perhaps the
summaries lacked a bit of the excitement we were
hoping for :-)<br>
<br>
jeanette<br>
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my 2 cents,<br>
<br>
graciela<br>
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